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Update 3/9/12 - things continue to improve, bit by bit...but we understand people are STILL jumping ship. why NOW, when there's finally hope on the horizon?
forget/don't sweat the small stuff for the time being : Forums, RP, Fashion Shows, all the little trimmings that can be gone into once we're up and running and the new team can talk with us openly about where the site should go - and they've indicated that they plan to do just that.
we're here (a miracle in itself), they're actually TRYING, and things are finally starting to move in a positive direction. no, they can't do everything perfectly instantly. boo hoo. the site is ALIVE, when by all logic it should be as dead as Pet Tales. what more do you want, egg in your beer, lol?
please - let's delight in what we have and help them work toward the future. everything points to it being a bright one...hang in, hang on, try to be patient - i really think this time it will be more than worth all our suffering to get this far.
Update 3/7/12 - as commented below (thanks!) it seems that we are in caring and capable hands, though we won't know whose yet for a while, and still don't know whether they are our "original" rescuers or not. it also appears that our conjectures that they were not attached to FaceBook during the censorship epic are confirmed (sigh of relief) - by the sound of things, they just now got access to that, and don't plan to be there much, Twitter remaining the primary source of updates. readers are urged to read the Comments section below for some (finally!) good news. (at least the early sections, lol - it kind of exploded, and in the absence of censorship here has been galloping madly on...hope the posters are enjoying themselves, but it's a bit embarrassing for all concerned.)
3/6/12 - all right, everybody out of the pool, towel off and show yourselves.
Tweets in yesterday from whomever (and it now looks like more than one person is responding, for whatever that's worth) seem to indicate yet another change of hands for the site, unless we're reading it wrong...yes, it's understood that the new "company" can't come out of the closet until the papers are processed, but is there any legal reason people posting on Twitter - or FaceBook - can't identify themselves as individuals? (that's a question for the audience, we truly don't know whether or not that's so, but it doesn't seem logical that people could not use their own names, at least : Ed - it seems there is a reason, under nondisclosure. fair enough.)
are we or are we not to remain in the hands of our rescuers? and if not, who's on FooSt?
From Twitter - if "they" are fixing things, who is Foo?
(from "Foo")@AzIsKarmaBound it is possible they are working hard to fix the bugs:)
(and quoted from Comments, next post down)
NEW AND INTERESTING...and a bit nervewracking...(via Twitter)
(from "Foo")@wishingonstarz2 not sure what the new owners have in mind as far as membership, we will keep you posted! (person asked about membership fees)
(from "Foo")@Lincat2 We took over on 3/1, we have been working through the weekend to fix the bugs and will continue. Sorry you are frustrated:(
click for Lincat2's tweets to/about this
(Ed - as SOMEBODY has been driving the car since 2/13 or so, what's this "3/1" stuff about? )
About Me
- GOLD RUSH
- Tabby Road, New Furrsey, Foo S. A.
- i am a seven-year-old virtual Cream Persian FooCat (born on Little Christmas, 1/5/10), the mascot and spokesfurson for FooBA4U, the FooPets members' cooperative service site.
this just in to lincat2...
ReplyDelete"We'll announce who we are as soon as the deal is done. We are running most things now, but it's "temporary" until deal signed." - which makes it clear as mud, i'm afraid. getting a bit worried...you don't need to name names to say "yes, we're the same people", or "no, we're new"...
This was just posted by Foopets on Facebook in the updates section:
ReplyDelete"Hi FooFans. Just a quick update: we (the new ownership of FooPets) are running things now (since last Thursday), and will be announcing who we are as soon as the deal is completely done (likely another 1-2 weeks). We've been working 24/7, focused on improving site performance and catching up on customer support (whew!). We're a small team, but VERY dedicated to BRINGING BACK THE LOVE FOR FOOPETS AND THE FOOPETS MEMBERS! We won't post too frequently here so we don't spam up your fb newsfeed - if you want the firehose of updates, follow us on twitter (@foopets). We were up most of the night adding a new database server, and will be up again tonight hopefully completing that addition, which should make the site much faster. You may notice some downtime if you're up super late Pacific time tonight. If the performance gets back where we think it will be, we'll turn the forums back on. Cross all your body parts. :) WE LOVE YOU, and WE'RE LISTENING TO ALL YOUR FEEDBACK, even if we can't personally respond to every one of you."
Ok, I got thee best customer service response from Foo ever today! In response to a question we had about late allowance we received the following (from a real human, no less! We're thrilled!):
ReplyDelete"Thank you for contacting us and for your patience. For your reference we also have a facebook page as well as a blog http://thefoopetsblog.wordpress.com/ where you can see updates. What has happened is that as of March 1st, we have taken custody of the site. Meaning we are a group of people who care about FooPets and the community and are working rapidly to get everything up to speed. In all honesty it took us until today to get user name and passwords for facebook and the blog so we could post there, so twitter has been our main outlet. The forums were shut down so we could work on site bugs without it affecting the site as much as it would with them up.
Update on what is happening now: we are actually hoping to reset the database tonight, which means that it will be down for a few hours late tonight pacific time. Once that is done, the "scripts" which auto populate allowances will hopefully kick in. We have had some feedback that some allowances have already gone through. All this is engineer talk for we hope, by the end of this present week, that the site bugs will be few and far between. If for some reason, you have not received your allowance by say Friday, please let us know. It could take a couple of days for the scripts to run through since they are obviously so far behind.
Again, thank you for your patience, and thanks for playing!
Traci
FooPets Game Services
www.foopets.com
March 07, 2012 11:12"
Halleluia and glory be! it sounds like everything we have been hoping for...and even a NAME, albeit an unfamiliar one. glad to see our guess that things like the Forums were offline for servicing purposes was correct. and open, honest answers both private and public? somebody pinch me, quick!
ReplyDeleteWow.Just too sweet! I hope it only gets better from here on out. This site has gone through three owners since I have been here, so maybe there is some truth in the old addage 'the third time's a charm'. These folks may even listen when I talk to them about having to double pay for this month....cool.
ReplyDeletefar as we know this is the first "real" change - Rivet was just FooMojo with racing stripes (same company with new name and personnel juggling), and Mojo was born out of YouveBeenBoned (original GoPokey corp) with personnel intact. even now, i think it's odds-on we have a lot of familiar faces hiding behind the curtain, but this time it IS a new company altogether, with hopefully new and more sensible policies.
ReplyDeleteEverything is working faster this morning. It is the first time I could use Intacare without having to refresh even once. Happy Dance time!
ReplyDeleteI still know people that can not even get on to the site to put in a support ticket much less begin to feed their pets. It has been a long long time for them - they are are certainly thinking of leaving. If they have not done so all ready.
ReplyDeletethough it just recently came under the control of the new team (along with the FaceBook page), Support - which is a standalone site not connected directly to FooPets - has to the best of my knowledge been online continuously...and though you might need to refresh the page a time or two, and clearing your chache slao helps, the site has been pretty much accessible since 2/15 : please ask anyone you know having these problems to post here so we can aid them - if they cannot access Support for some reason, we can post on their behalf, and help them with any site logon problems.
ReplyDeleteI have been receiving great responses from our new support and they even replaced what I had lost in fg and fd. At least this is a step in the right direction.
ReplyDeleteit does appear foo may be going in the right direction. but i must say it would be better and feel like it was really going in the right direction if they started with a blank page in the forums and stopped having admins like shorti ready to pounce on like a junkyard dog over trival matters. enuff said.
ReplyDeleteDon't give Shorti a promotion. She's not an Admin and never was. She is only an ambassador.
Deleteso the Forums are back? hm. i don't disagree, but judging by the outcry at people losing their old posts i don't think they could have started over other than pretending to have an "oopsie"...and we are hoping that they are in the process of reviewing staff, there were indications that this might be ongoing.
ReplyDeleteI do agree with Annymous as regards Shorti who seems to be happy as a pig in mud now that she can get back to jumping on folks for mini matters. She must have hated the down-time LOL... But yes, CanaansChild, there would have been horrendous outcry at more missing posts. Also I have to say that some of the "history" would be lost, although maybe it already is -- I have not ventured far into the forums yet.
ReplyDeleteI honestly would come back to FooPets if I knew shorti was removed as admin. I am sending a letter in to their support, and hopefully the new people there will not take this lightly. I am very saddened to see that her tyranny has only gotten worse since I have been gone. :( I am however, excited to see what the new owners will bring to Foo!
ReplyDeleteHere here. I was appalled to see her at it as soon as the forums were open. Throwing her weight around because some members dared post on old threads started before they closed the forums. Even after another "a" stated it was fair game. Even going so far as to threaten to suspend members for this non-infraction. If that is the kind of customer service they want to represent them then I will once again not participate in any of the activities where I may run into her. And if that is the case why pay for several accounts? Why bother designing a profile that she can tear apart or destroy at her will? She is not just a bully on the forums but scours the profiles for infractions real or imagined and threatens suspension at the drop of hat. She has NO business being in a position of power. None at all. And if she was justified in her attacks why is it that all of her altercations are deleted? If she is justified she should allow her actions to be reviewed by a higher authority. Her bullying is disgusting and has no place on Foo or any other game with any integrity. If I want to pay a dominatrix to humiliate and bully me there are sites I can go to. Foo Pets is not the place for that.
ReplyDeleteAMEN!
Deletethe best way to go might be to start a petition - it could be set up on an unconnected blog, and submitted to FooTwitter (where as far as i know she does not go) as i did the open letter. email me for blog address (only untappable method i know), email is available via OpLifeWP clickable above, either from About Me or (i believe) the second post down in re scholarships. names might be problematic, but as far as i know little a's cannot access personal info so "real" names as opposed to Foo logons ought to work...and multiaccount people can list how many they have now, and how many they WOULD have, if things continue to improve.
ReplyDeleteTrust me, she and her minions are everywhere.
DeleteShe just signed up to twitter in response to this tweet.
ReplyDeletehttps://mobile.twitter.com/still_fed_up/status/180123739516710912
I do not know this person but I do know there are many members that are openly responding to her latest show of terror.
Why not send letters in to support too? I don't have access to the forums anymore, and taking screens of her garbage to send in will help the cause. It's a friggen pet site, why is there room for all her attitude?
ReplyDeleteApparently she still has her little follower, Taipei or whatever. He was hunting down people for her to suspend long before I quit, and is clearly still at it. He will fight tooth and nail to keep her there because she lets him get away with whatever he likes (while snickering at how witty and clever he is).
ReplyDeleteYes, Joshua is very keen to keep Shorti. What is annoying is that the pro-S camp state that only people who have been zapped by her are the ones who don't like her. Neither I nor any of my friends have never been suspended or threatened by her, but I have found myself appalled at some of the things she has said and done to youngsters, and I know that Dee went so far as to contact the then owners about one particular instance. Of course, that was Rivet and nobody there cared a jot so long as all the messy customers were kept away from them, so they were happy to keep her there in charge of strict (and in my view largely silly) rules. It will be interesting to see what these new owners will do about such ambassadors.
ReplyDeleteI am not saying that ambassadors are all bad, and I well understand that they are doing a largely thankless job, but that particular one has been revelling too visibly in her ability to threaten and bully. I would hate to be one of her children, going by her own statements on how she treats them.
Foo's new owners do seem to be taking some heed to their customers; I was amazed to see that poll explaining about the slowness problem and asking which of the alternative routes as regards the forums they should take. Fingers crossed that they continue to look good :)
if nothing else we need a review board and a Court of Appeal - even under the best of conditions a's/mods are human. no ONE person should have the power to do more than render a post/thread invisible until it can be looked at and evaluated by a panel.
ReplyDeletewhile shorti and i have a long history (going back to before the troubles, when we got along quite well - though i have since made her hit list), other than fencing a bit in the Forums she has never actually "done" anything to me per se : i still find her often-fascist tactics and many of her remarks deplorable.
yes, letters to Support are an excellent idea : if we do the petition blog that would probably be the best way to submit it.
If multiple members have a problem with ANY of the staff it is only fair for all to write into support with the grievances so the Admin know what is going on. The new owners can not fix what they do not know about.
ReplyDeleteHowever, if you want to be taken seriously you should have plenty of details and screen shot proof to support your claims.
LOL I've done that more than once. Want to guess who replied to my tickets? I hope the new owners aren't as big a joke as the old...
DeleteI don't go into the forums except to look for help or offer it but even I've seen shorti's bullying. Some folks had marked her posts as being 'funny' and I guess she thought that was sarcastic and hurtful and she went on an incredible rant about it. The few people who wrote in and said 'Um, maybe you shouldn't take it all that seriously' all got trounced on. It was shocking. She felt it was humiliating and disrespectful and anyone who tried to help her put it into perspective got smacked down in a huge, spiteful way. I could hardly even believe I was reading the words of a grown woman. I can't imagine anyone being so invested and sensitive as all that but there it was. And that was a triffle- I'd hate to see how she would react in a truly bad situation that required tact or delicacy. Petition?!? Sign me up! I feel blessed to have never crossed her path and hope never to. If I can fly under her radar the rest of my days then they'll be happy ones. ;)
ReplyDeleteYes, it is a good idea to have a review board. And darn it I see I said "Neither... never" LOL where I should of course have said "Neither... ever". Oh well, it's a busy day.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is, nobody is a saint and absolute power allied to a particular kind of adulation can really cause problems within any individual.
Remember FooKate? She was great back in the old days, always ready for a laugh and a bit of fun. But shortly before the previous great upheaval at foo, and after the Great Art Theft, she went completely bonkers and accused perfectly innocent people of Grand Theft, handing out suspensions and accusations even to those who had simply bought very expensive pets from others. BBK got caught up in that, and I believe it took several weeks for her to get her accounts and pets back.
I like the idea of a petition blog. The trouble with producing specific complaints to support, with all the necessary details and screen shots is that many adults would simply have turned away in distaste at the unpleasant comments, and by the time they came back the thread could have been locked or deleted or even edited by the ambassador. Dee certainly, as far as I remember, produced links to the threads or thread which she found particularly distasteful, but as I say the old PTB pushed it away with a standard response.
Behold, a typo! Wow, jeez, how could my poor arthritic old fingers do such a thing. For "BBK" please read "BK2". Hearty thanks to BBK for so kindly pointing the error out to me. No kitties were hurt in the making of this message.
DeleteKate had gone native a while before the Art Theft...(remember the pogrom against KittenSave when she couldn't nail us for supporting the Beta protest?), but that was ceratinly when she went over the deep end - and her attempt to conciliate falsely-suspended members woth foodollar bribes was one of the main factors in her dismissal, along with banning kids that expressed difficulties emotionally coping woth the holidays.
ReplyDeleteabsolute power corrupts absolutely - anyone. mods, a's, even A's should have the ability only to freeze while the situation is reviewed by a committee : i recently saw much the same thing happen on another site, and all it succeeded in acomplishing was a loss of good people and good faith.
the issue of screenshots is classic - how would you know to take them, when there was no reason to suspect there would be a problem - but if enough people describe enough incidents in enough detail, i think the point can be made, and if we use a general petition it will save them having a plethora of additional Support tickets when their hands are already full. anyone who DOES have screenshots of examples, by all means append them, of course, but i suspect they will be few and far...though the latest from FB should be included, i think...
Hi members,
ReplyDeleteI remember once a person yelled at me with bad things and miss shorti told them they should not do that cause it was not right. Can that be used?
Lily
I can attest to Kate going bonkers long before the Art Theft. She was also goaded by a group of people into that state, why? I don't really know. I think it was this certain group needed drama? Taipei included, as per usual.
ReplyDeleteWhat the heck happened on FB? Is shorti seriously stretching out her tyranny that far, now? I think I'm going to have to email for this petition, because honestly, I'm very curious to see what else she has done. More for the fact that I feel better knowing I'm not alone with her horrid attitude.
Lily, that is an example of shorti doing what she is supposed to - that is the real job of a forum mod, to stop players from picking on others, trolling, and other things that are against (normal) forum rules. as i said earlier, shorti was not always this way, and perhaps if proper guidelines are set for mods/a's as well as members balance can be regained.
ReplyDeleteoscarthecat had an entire series of posts on FooFB deleted (presumably by shorti), and was banned from posting there, leaving a very falsely colored impression of what they had said. a very clever and foresighted member copied the thread/posts before they were deleted, and if i recall correctly they appear in one of the Comment sections here, i'll find them in a moment. this occurred BEFORE our new team had access to the FB page, by the way.
quoted here are some of the deleted posts - though we might have problems proving it was shorti who did the actual deed (interesting to find out who, as FooPets as we now know it had NO access at the time and might be very curious to see who was acting so aggressively under their aegis and to their at-the-time detriment...)
ReplyDeleteHere are exact quotes of a couple of Oscar Cat's postings, taken randomly from the thread:
"ok so foopets it's simple. WE WANT OUR GAME BACK THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR...please...we are not demanding...we are your customers! we send you money! you should love us for that because without our money you cannot have a game...pretty simple...come and love us and take good care of us and get us back our game"
(Some of these were in response to Shorti who told her off for speculating and suggested that she go to customer Support -- which we all know is not really useful at this time.)
"I never said they did it on purpose to get to me! I just don't think they can pay their bills...that is not a conspiracy theory! hehe...just a basic business theory...what I think is that they were losing money, couldn't pay their bills"
and
"yes well all you have are theories as well...hehehe..because they are not telling us the facts and the whole truth..but that is OK...you have ideas as do I...I don't suspect you know any more than me...my ideas are based on actions...and they all lead to some shaky business...but is okay...we shall see won't we"
Thank you miss canaans child. Can I ask you more? Why are the members here using that name of anonymous?are they scared of being caught, I am not scarted.
ReplyDeleteoh, I hope you are a miss and not a mister. if you are a mister I apologize.
I am using anonymous because I choose not to have my life further disrupted by certain people who have taken pleasure in doing such previously. It doesn't make me a lesser person because I would rather feel more comfortable protecting my identity. At least, that is how it goes for myself, I cannot speak on any one else's behalf.
ReplyDeleteWhy does it not surprise me that shorti would flip off the handle for statements that are seriously quite trivial in the grand scheme of things. Also doesn't help that the statements do tend to feel like factual statements considering all that rivet has done. The past is the past, but it's very hard to let go of when it's impacted people in such a negative way.
ReplyDeleteIs this petition currently up? If so were is it? :-)
ReplyDeleteHere is the link for the survey, if that is what you were referring to.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Q2K3DR7
one of the anonymouses,
ReplyDeleteoh, ok. I just did not know why. yeah I know what you mean. There was this person that made me cry and made me feel really bad cause I was staying and she was an adult lady too.
Is the trivial stuff the flag things?Cause I do not like them because I can not edit any posts when that happens so I agree if that is the trivial things.
This reminds me of a past exchange when the Beta controversy was going on. Does anyone remember that? It is one of the reasons that so many of us are using the Anonymous moniker. We do not want to find dirty lies about us on our profiles like some of our friends did, if you get my drift. Everyone here will be respectful and kind. No one is going to hurt you or say bad things to you or is trying to close FooPets. We like the new owners very much but we are not happy with some of the old employees who were irresponsible and unstable in their meting out of punishment and treatment of certain members.
ReplyDeleteYes shorti is the main one. As well as some members that followed her lead in a bullying campaign. And yes the flags are an example of an inappropriate reaction to a trivial action. Any adult who would have a temper tantrum because someone found a post funny is not suited to be a moderator. Period. Any adult who is rattled by ANY happenings on the forums and goes into a rage is not suited to be in any position of control on the forums. Period. One of the other a's put it best she said:
"People are just frustrated and do not know what to do. The only way they feel they can cope is to lash out. It isn't the kindest way to express themselves but if we as a whole can show them patience, we will be better for it in the end. Most people, after they rant, will realize that Foo is working as hard as they can. So we each have to just show patience and ignore the less than pleasant expressions some people express." This statement was not made on behalf of the ambassadors. It was the members who were allowed to be upset. (This was just confirmed by a statement from FooPets on one of the FB threads btw. They stated that members had a right to be angry at them and to express it. What a change!)
It was ParrotLady who made the quote early on FB before we knew what was going to happen. And I must say she has been a good example of what an ambassador should always be. What she did not say was that the She never ever once had to resort to violent speech or threats or tantrums. If she suspended anyone she calmly warned the member on their wall with a detailed reason and gave them a time frame to correct the behavior or offense. And if the condition was not met she acted in her capacity as an authority figure. And I might add there were not many hard feelings from the members. Her approach put out more fires while shorti's only incited more bad feelings and stirred up more trouble.
So yes "Lily" we want Shorti gone. And we want someone like ParrotLady in charge of watching and training the rest of the ambassadors or moderators or whatever they are going to be so we do not have to live in fear if we happen to want to use the forums like everyone else.
I do not want miss shorti gone, she helped me. I am not afeared. I am sad now. ;*)
ReplyDeleteit's not so much that we want shorti gone, if she can regain her perspective, Lily, but there need to be some kind of guidelines as to what a's are and are not entitled to do without consulting at least another a if not an A first.
ReplyDeleteeven though she has been helpful to many, like you (may i ask how long ago this occurred, and whether it concerned your message board or a forum?), many, many people were hurt by shorti for insufficient reasons - they were not bullying anyone or breaking any rules, they simply happened to disagree with her...which is not a crime, and does not deserve to be punished. hundreds of members are now afraid to use their "real" names because, if they are suspended for speaking their minds - and even here, OFF the FooPets site, it has happened - their pets will be the ones to suffer. this kind of petty power game MUST STOP.
now that the management has changed and no one is encouraging censorship for political or paranoid reasons (we profoundly hope), there is no need for these draconian tactics in the forums any longer, if there ever was. what IS needed is a new set of guidelines - clear, logical ones - for members posting there, AND FOR WHOEVER IS MODERATING, stickied for all to see. also a Board of Appeal for anyone who feels their post or thread has been unfairly deleted. flagging, as far as i am concerned, does not belong there AT ALL - it serves no real purpose and allows anyone with a vendetta to harass and even delete someone's else's post.
NO ONE should be a bully, on the Forums or on a message board. no one deserves to BE bullied, by ANYONE. ambassadors should be dealing with bullies, not acting like them. they are given that post as a privilege as well as a responsibility, and must live up to the standards they would have the members uphold.
the petition blog in being designed, and anyone wishing to post please contact me via email at singingbadgerclan@gmail.com and i will send you the link. after a reasonable length of time (to be determined) we will send it in to Support.
oh I don't mind telling you . It was when the site was not gonna be free anymore. A kitty lady was telling me that I would be wrong to stay if my friends could not stay and for me to think how my friends would be hurting because I was staying and they could not. That my little friends would cry and it would make them feel bad. I was crying and it hurt. It was in a room, the chit chat one and on where I get my messages from other people.
ReplyDeleteMiss Gold rush what does draconian mean?
Bellow is a comment I took from another "anonymous" writer.
ReplyDelete"And we want someone like Parrotlady in charge of watching and training the rest of the ambassadors or moderators or whatever they are going to be so we do not have to live in fear if we happen to want to use the forums like everyone else."
I will have to say you hit the nail on the head. I haven't spoken with her much but I have observed her over time. I too wish all the ambassadors handled things the way Parrotlady does. I have never seen her "throw her weight around" or even get hot under the collar with anyone. She truly says what she mean and means what she says in the politest way possible......
She has a way with all the members, young and old, that is sorely needed on the site.
100% agreed on Parrotlady. She is the only moderator that I am aware of that does not play favoritism, sees things fairly and acts fairly. Her attitude is absolutely wonderful and I have never once seen her make anyone feel uncomfortable. She has only ever gone out of her way to be kind and respectful, no matter the situation. Foo def. needs more moderators like her!
ReplyDeleteI do not agree. They all need to be fired. Did you realize Parrotlady is one of Shorti's posse?
DeleteI know that I've had my run ins with PL too and I'm not fond of her either. I've yet to see her step in and put a stop to Shorti's behavior. In my book, that says a lot. However, she may be the lesser of two evils.... so to speak.
DeleteSo who the hell do you want as an FA?...As it seems no one can win with you.
DeleteAnd I hope you all realise, Shorti does not have a "posse" or "minions" or whatever else you are labelling us as, we are her friends etc, so come on, get a bit of a grip and stop demoting us as sheep when we clearly are not.
glad to hear that - as your side(?) (pick your own terminology) is happy to accuse the Foop of having them because people post here with whom you disagree...personally i'd like to see ALL the personalities, high dudgeon, and namecalling go back to the playground where it belongs.
Deletefar as i know PL is as fair as she had been able to be - for the "a" team to show public divisiveness would have been worse than anything shorti may or may not have done. as far as who should be what...well, i'd bump Parrot to a big A and reinterview for both mods and ambassadors )which actually ought to be separate positions), whether the candidate was an amb in the past or not. (and no, my plate is MORE than full enough, i am not and was never interested with a position of any kind with the company. my suggestions and thoughts - or "demands", though since i never attempted to stiuff them down Admin's throat at knifepoint i'm not sure how that term applies - are better presented from the floor, as it were. now, under the new management, hopefully i can look forward to "no, that won't work", "yes, but we can't do that because..." and/or "tell me more", rather than operating in a vacuum. the site personnel of all types have always been welcome and frequently invited to read the Foop...and obviously have been doing so for some time : it's regrettable that they (up until now) chose to see it as a spy mission rather than a visit to a resource and portential ally.
Lily, that was a very cruel - and very unfair - thing to say : many people, who were angry about what was happening, struck out at others because they were in pain. if anything, your friends would have been HAPPY because you could stay and would be there to take care of their pets until they could come back. "draconian" by the way, means to do things much more forcefully and permanently than should be called for...like what that person did to you. sadly, many people find the power and scope of the Forums goes to their head - they turn into dictators who cannot see any way but theirs as "right". one of the reasons people like to talk here is that there is NO censorship or attempt to control what someone else thinks, whether they agree with the majority or not.
ReplyDeletethere are indications that Parrot may go up to a big A - wouldn't THAT be nice! by the way, Parrot once has her position taken away from her, during the height of the Troubles...anyone surprised?
i agree parrotlady is a good example of a great admin.
ReplyDeleteall i know is that i've had friends on foo belittled by shorti and wished i'd screenshot that stuff. as long as shorti is with foopets i will not return and i know others such as i that feel the same way.
Parrotlady is a one of Shorti's minions. BEWARE.
DeleteHi miss CanaansChild,
ReplyDeleteI have to go to school but ya, it was cruel. I don't understand something. I don't want you to be mad at me please. But is not this the same thing that member people are doing to miss Shorti here, striking out because they feel they are right? I mean sometimes I see people that cause bad troubles over in the foopets and they are older and looks like they do it on purpose. I think that is bad. I like miss Parrotlady too. Is she really going to have a bigger A?
Mum is coming bye.
Just out of curiosity. Can I ask you how old you are and where you're from?
DeleteLily, no one here gets mad because someone else speaks their mind...and the point of asking for rules to be set and enforced for what ambs like shorti are allowed to do is meant to make the site Forums just as fair and enjoyable.
ReplyDeleteas far as what people here want being the same as whoever said mean and selfish things to you : no, i'm afraid not - none of the people here attacked shorti or did her any personal harm (that i know of, and i was watching most of these episodes take place), but were victimized BY her, for whatever reasons. to speak your mind about the site should not be a crime, and ambassadors as site representatives should be MORE careful about letting personal pique influence what they say - and especially DO - not less.
"cause bad troubles"? what does that mean? if something is wrong and people do not talk about it, it can't get fixed...if there is something you need to know and no one in authority will tell you, you are going to wonder and speculate and discuss it with other people to try to learn what is going on. if people are angry and upset about something the site has done to hurt them, they have a right to say so (and talking about it often helps them feel better - it's called "catharsis"), just as other people have the right to say if they feel differently. granted, i saw some forum posts that were pretty vicious about the site - though by that time so many bad things had happened it's not all that surprising - but i also saw posts by self-styled "supporters" that were equally vicious, and directed at individual members, not the company that was the subject of the discussion.
i see that the new management has said right out loud in public that speaking your mind is NOT a crime, and that being upset by problems and Foo's troubled history is understandable. (good for them!) despite this, the last i heard shorti was still deleting people's posts on Foo and FaceBook and threatening to suspend them for having feelings and opinions. perhaps that has now changed - i hope so. i have known shorti for years and she was not always like this. i'd like the old shorti back...we used have a lot of fun together on FooPets.
Yeah.. I don't think it's changed. And wow. That must have been years ago because my experience with Shorti has NEVER been pleasant or respectful and I've been a member for a LONG time.... That's sad.
DeleteI don't know what shorti you guys are talking about, but it sure isn't the one I know. If anything she has become milder over the past 2 years, I worked with her for a year as a Fas, daily saw her change and when she began she was gruff and to the point. Although she is still somewhat to the point, she isn't nearly as gruff. I don't see why she needs to coddle people who are doing things they know they shouldn't be doing. You can't expect every Fas to have the same approach, they are all different people with different personalities. Contrary to popular belief on here, there are rules the Fas go by, they CAN'T suspend just anyone for any reason they want. When I was a Fas we had to tell our "Bosses" whoever they were at the time, who we suspended and why, with screen shot proof of wrong doings. You guys say that you're paying members and you deserve better!! Well she is a paying member that volunteers her time and sanity dealing with members that have no respect for her or the site. Members that think it is fun to harass others by flagging them (Wow childishly sick peoples), right Anonymous...didn't think I knew that eh?? I'm sure Canaan can tell you that I know more that goes on on the site then anyone and I don't need the Fas to tell me. So because you are paying members you can bully, say you're paying and it is your right!! I call BS, really children...
DeleteCanaan, I've known you almost as long as I've know her. First of all she can't delete FB posts, she doesn't have that kind of power and if she has deleted any foo posts it would ONLY be because they broke the ToS. Under the old leadership the ToS pretty much stated you could only have an opinion if it agreed with foo, anything other then that and it was conduct unbecoming a foo member. They had to lock or delete, I had a thread locked...I know you remember. It was a good thread, but because one member said something so little, only implying negativity against foo the admins not Fas locked it. Which the admins in their paranoia at the time did abundantly and many people assumed it was the Fas.
A lot of people didn't like me because I didn't coddle, yet you respected me...unless of course you were lying. You asked me to read your blog and I have come by from time to time. However now it only sounds like a witch hunt...not unlike the one Harp had against me. In fact no better, it disturbs and disgusts me just as much as hers did. We have not always seen eye to eye on all things foo, but I have always had respect for you. I don't think I can say that anymore....You and your minions have been trying to force the site into changing into what you want it to be for a long time. All the petitions, letters and demands, for all kinds of things. Why you pay for a site that isn't what you want it to be is beyond me. Just because you are paying members doesn't mean you get to decide what will and won't happen on the site, it is their site that they allow you to be on, not the other way around. If they changed the site to accommodate ALL the members it would be in more of a mess then it is now. They will do the best they can to make members happy, I'm sure that might include one or two of your idea's, but if I have anything to say about it, it won't include this one.
Just in case people reading this, only see what they want to see and not what I actually wrote...you might have missed who actually asked me to read this blog, cause it wasn't Shorti, it was Canaan. I'm not one of Shorti's "Followers", I wasn't sent here by her to defend her, she doesn't need defending. I am not a sheep, but I do see a lot of them in here...I also see a lot of one person posting under other names...right gold rush aka badger aka canaan, is that all of them or are you an anonymous also??
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I don't think I'll be coming by here from time to time anymore, it sure isn't worth the read. I will however be making my own letter to support in favor of Shorti, I'm also going to encourage other members I know to do the same. I'd like to think it would have a bit more clout then a hateful petition from members that bully as much as you guys do...and you're dreaming if you think the new admins won't know your history.
Delete(my little ramble is now done...do with it as you wish)
how delightfully dramatic - if you've been paying any real attention to the Foop, you'll know (among other things) i have a zero censorship policy...and my "history" here is archived and open for viewing, no secrets there.
Deletei have never made any bones about Canaan and GoldRush/FooBA4U being the same person and interchangeable (i don't think i EVER posted as "badger"-anything in here)...and even when my other 15-odd accounts were active don't recall ever posting here with them, much less anonymously. Forums, yes, posts there would come from whatever account i was in at the time. nor did i ever try to cloak myself - what i DID do was make the point, post conversion, was that as far as i was concerned if every account had to pay, every account got a say...though as at that point i was too busy and heartsick to bother with the Forums i never put it in force.
not sure where the diatribe comes from - i don't have "minions", nor do i need them for validation, though i understand they are quite popular in certain circles. i read through the Comments once or twice a day (or try to), and make no pretense of controlling them. if i see something that i think i should respond to, i do. 90% of the time the Foop Comments serve as a combination of communication central and therapy couch - which is fine - and have little or nothing to do with the actual "publication". i don't lead this parade, i don't even direct it, just try to poke it back into order if it gets too far out of line. under normal conditions, i would not have seen ANY of this, as a new post has been up for some days - but as the subject matter in Comments was touchy i thought i'd keep a weather eye on it.
if you actually read what i said, your post seems off target. if you didn't, i am kind of surprised, as i thought more highly of you than that...though as i have learned, Forum personas are very different.
Lily, that you ask questions here is great! I don't think anyone here would be mad at you for wanting to understand something! Keep asking! It helps all of us understand and be clear! Keep up the thoughtful comments and questions!
ReplyDeleteIf you picture a neighborhood, that's a lot what Foo is like. If there is someone in your block that is mean, particularly to the children of the neighborhood, asking that the bully change their way is not being a bully yourself. It's asking for fair treatment for all. If someone feels that the bully is doing real, lasting harm and they need to call the police (in this example Foo-New-Management) so the police can handle it that isn't being a bully. That's asking the police (or management) to do their job and keep everyone safe. If the residents get together and sign a petition asking police or the bully to change that's not bullying either. I know I'm stretching this example quite a bit for the sake of illustration but there is no malicious harm intended in our actions but underneath bullying there *is* intended harm. If Shorti can change her behavior and be as kind to everyone as she is to a few then awesome! She'll deserve to be in a position of power, respect, and authority. But someone who does harm should not be. I hope that helps! :)
Since these positions are not paid jobs and we are only talking about ego here, wouldn't it be better for the image and the well being of the new company to eliminate the possibility of problems? There are some wonderful people out there that were driven out of their a positions by the likes of shorti and her followers or by the policies of the old management. Wouldn't it make better sense to bring them back? I would much rather see them rewarded for not becoming part of the pack myself. But if they want to seeming reward bad behavior and unstable treatment at this critical reformation that is certainly their precognitive. But it makes no good business sense to me. It seems like a recipe for just the same old business as usual and sends no signal of change to the victims of the a in question.
ReplyDeletePersonally I have not participated in the forums for well over a year now. I found them to be a toxic sick place and I refused to go into any location that allowed such indiscriminate and arbitrary treatment of paying customers. However I did lurk as it is called in the blogging world. And I witnessed many of the things that people are talking about here. I have to say that in most cases it was handled in such a way as to incite not solve. And it was always at least in my mind a tag team effort not a simple a informing the member of an infraction and moving on. It was a deliberate surrounding of the selected target and then baiting. And certain posters were chosen for the "games"- a common trolling tactic. But that is just my observation from a purely clinical standpoint. Whatever conclusions anyone wants to make it appeared to be calculated and immature and malicious.
And it leads me to another question. Why are some members with no apparent authority allowed to instruct and order other members around? For example I find it extremely insulting to have a 20 something talking down to a 60 something in a snotty self righteous manner and then sic a hostile a on that person to further humiliate them and possibly suspend them for defending themselves. Or a middle aged man taunting a child for a simple infraction - like posting on an old thread and then bringing in the big guns to further embarrass the child. But I have seen it happen. Another reason I stay away.
As I said the new management can make their own decisions but as for me I will probably stay out of the forums as in the past. They are not pleasant nor have they given me any information that has been helpful that I cannot get from a swift read of a new sticky. Or from here for that matter. And as for friends well the old Foo drove us out and we have settled in other places for our social interactions so that is a mute point as well. All I really want is to take care of my pets, decorate their habitats and create a nice profile and not be harassed and constantly in fear of attack. Maybe one day I will feel safe there again so that I can revive the friendships but for now I just want my Foopets whole and safe.
Lily, glad to see someone she helped. I've never had any run-ins with Shorti but I do not like the way she treats people she doesn't like. An "a"s job is to keep the peace and help out those in need of intervention or help someone with that may have a simple question or such-not. Shorti wields her "a" like a sword. You don't see the other "a"s posting opinions or singling out people and put them down. The other "a"s post things that are directed at the general posters and a lot of cute stories about their experiences. What is the difference? Shorti is unprofessional, immature, and an enabler to those who she knows will attack those she does not like. She is just as guilty as the people she singles out and it is really sad to see adults take her bait and to see her acting like a bully. She does it because no one in authority has called her out on it. If she can go back to the way she was when she was just doing her job and treating everyone the same, whether she liked them or not, then she will have my respect once again. As it is now, I can't respect her. She is just as mean as any other bully.
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
DeleteI can promise you Joshua is sitting at his computer pushing and prodding Shorti into acting out the way she does. I'm not saying he's entirely to blame for this, but he certainly enjoys inciting argument and uncomfort.
ReplyDeleteHi miss canaanschild and others,
ReplyDeleteMy mum does not want me reading this cause she says it is adults stuff. I am sneaking. Bad stuff I meant adults being not nice in the foopet forums. I see stuff like that all the time,specially if adults don't like the stories. Some are not good but I see adults get mad cause there are stories. Us kids like to write them and we have the right to do it and me get yelled at . Not mentioning names cause I should not.
clc, thank you, I hate making others mad.
who is Joshua? and I do not understand how miss Shorti can delete things on facebook. is she like administration and she can do that?
I like the little a's, they are always nice to me. miss Parrotlady is a nice lady. She always makes me feel special. miss Remsie comes and plays our games and we ask her to change our topics. We have fun.
I have to go now but I will ask my mum to let me come back .It is a good place where I can learn more things.
mmm...i was bullied (or at least they tried, lol, i wasn't especially impressed) by a few youngsters over the years, it's not a matter of just grownups picking on kids : kids pick on each other as well, and sometimes need to be separated, and most of the roughest interactions are adult on adult (at least chronologically), whether on Forums or message boards.
ReplyDeleteas far as adults getting upset or angry over "stories", i'm not sure what you mean. unless a long and irrelevant item was posted somewhere it didn't belong, i don't see why anyone would care...granted, i myself have gotten aggravated by bogus puppy/kitten mill and abuse stories (more often in profiles than the Forums) but, other than posting a list of what is and isn't reality in those cases in one of my profiles, i simply moved on. every cat to its ashcan...what, exactly, do you mean by a "story"?
originally ambassadors (small a's) were forum moderators and advisors, with fairly limited "executive" powers. some time back, this changed (no one is sure why, there were plenty of Admin around to handle anything serious) and they were given the power to delete posts and threads in the Forums, and to suspend and even ban members for whatever reasons they saw fit. most of them did not abuse this. some did. this is what we want to stop, and prevent in the future. (by the way, as someone stated above, a's are volunteer help - therefore i see no reason there shouldn't be as many as possible, as long as they qualify.)
Joshua (and others) egg shorti on, and encourage her to overreact. this is wrong of them, but she should not let herself be so easily influenced either.
as far as your mother goes, while i don't censor here, everyone uses basic good manners and there is never any bad language or dirty talk - more than could be said for the Forums, sadly. while the discussion usually takes place on an adult level, as you can see we are always willing to explain anything not clear to anyone who asks. i suggest you ask her to read the posts and comments on One Swell Foop - this is not the Forums, it's a perfectly safe place for people of any age, and "moderated" far more closely than the site.
I understand Lily's Mum being wary of anything to do with the forums whether it is off-site or on. My son and I play FooPets together but I don't allow him to read or post in the forums. I do read Foop posts to him and just brought him up to speed about Shorti. If someone had been unkind to him the way people were to Lily in the forums I'd be a raging mama lion, as protective as anything and wary of everything Foo-discussion related. I think Gold Rush has a great point, Lily. If your mom reads the content here and understands that this is a separate place than the forums completely, I think she'll understand the difference better.
ReplyDeletePeople on here moaning about Shorti, need to seriously get out & get a new life, as clearly your lives are just not entertaining enough. Shorti does things none of you (apart from Kaylina of course) could do, heck if I had to do what she did, I would be on the run for murdering brats on foo, because sorry there are some real big brats on foo (including some adults). And I don't care if you all hate me for saying these words, but seriously, get some new lives.
ReplyDeleteAt least me & Kaylina are living ours in fun, not hounding someone through jealously, as I can bet you would all want a shiny "a" just so you can try to show how "easy it is" pfffft, give me a break!
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeez!!!!
Well I have a reply for you but I put it under the wrong post. I can't delete it dammit, so here's a copy/paste:
DeleteSo.... Since we don't fall under the category of "tyrant in a pet forum," let me ask you this: What's it like? LOL. I can't even believe you're serious with this post. Are you even aware of what you've written?
Thanks for the laugh. I admit I was pissed and had a long reply ready when I first read it. But now I see you're just another lost soul with a narcissistic personality and it's only natural that you'd stick up for others like yourself. What you fail to understand is that if you forget to polish her shoes one day, you'll be on the same list we're on.
Some of these Fas may improve with some guidance from the new owners but Shorti is a lost cause and if she's allowed to remain where she's at, I see a lot of ppl leaving. The woman has issues far and above FP and she needs to spend her time dealing with those issues.
Shorti is COMPLETELY void of compassion and common sense. She and her minions, up until now, have been the only ones allowed to speak their minds and anyone who doesn't agree with her.... Well, you already know or you wouldn't be here.
Let's hope your presence here is proof that she's on her way out. Ugh!
I mixed up a couple of posts but I'm sure got my gist.
Geeeeeeeeez
What does Kaylina have to do with this? From my own personal experience, she's been super awesome simply just as a friend and as a mod. And jealous? Yep, you sure hit the nail on the head there! *note:sarcarsm* Because we all would like to be verbally abusive jerks for no other reason than we can. Nothing sounds more appealing than being known as a tyrant on a pet forum......
ReplyDeleteAnon 1: I have to do with it because she actually read my post on here (points up to yesterdays posts)...and agrees with me...I applaud Kizzie, she may have been passionate in her post...but she has the strength to stand up for her friends and not hide behind "Anonymous" while shooting her knives...So...we are friends?? Although I am happy to see you think so much of me....I'm sure you must know by now I probably don't think to much of you...then again since you're not showing your true self I might never know who you are...I guess you're safe!! but I have a few educated guesses...
DeleteAnon 2: might want to get a dictionary dear...I'm certain you don't know what "narcissistic" means, that or you have no idea who Kizzee is. Kizzee is anything but...she is a very sweet passionate kid with her heart in the right place....YOU may want shorti gone...but that won't happen if I have anything to say about it...
So how many Anon's are there?? hard to tell with the cookie cutter answers...if you're going to try to ruin someone's life...at least have the good sense to show your true self...all you guys look like is cowards...cowards on a witch hunt...
Kaylina, you do you know me, and I can promise your guesses are all wrong. It's nice to see how quickly you can turn on a dime though. Bravo for your show of disrespect in the face of strife.
DeleteIf you cared to read anything beyond the last two posts, you would see why some of us are not revealing who we really are. Or what the issue is. Or anything beyond what Kizzee stated. Ignorance is not bliss. And since I doubt you will educate yourself with all the previous posts, the reason I am hiding behind anon, is because Shorti made it a point to make my life on Foo as uncomfortable as she possibly could, her and her little groupies of self righteous jerks. I did nothing to incite argument, insulted no one, made no intention to insult or hurt, anything that was remotely negative, and that lovely bunch decided to take it upon themselves to drive me away from a years long stay at Foo. Why? I don't know.
I also realize that you, dear Kaylina and Kizzee, will find it in your hearts to NOT see anything negative or even try to understand anything different other than your own comfortable seat next to the tyrants. We have every right to be angry and to speak out against this, deal with it. Apparently Shorti and Co. have every right to cyber bully and harass.
I've read the whole blog before my first post yesterday, which I still think nobody has read...and honestly if you are that afraid of her finding out who you are...then maybe you shouldn't give so much information...there can only be so many people that she has a personal vendetta against...right?? So you just pointing that out kinda tells who you are to her...
DeleteI don't quickly turn on a dime actually...what you see is what you get...I'm the same person I've always been...straight and to the point. I've never been a follower and I'm darn good at judging people. I know Shorti better then anyone does...and she would be the first person to tell you that I don't follow her...
As for respect, I've shown the same amount that I've seen...this whole blog is full of hate, harassment and bullying...and that was before any of us posted...
You want me to change my thoughts on this subject...then show me the undoctored proof...so far I've only seen rantings of nothing...kaylinagoesrawr@live.com
Kaylina, that is laughable. The ambassa-witches are bullies, who get off on the little bit of perceived power that they abuse on a kiddie website. It's pitiful, really. Ambassa-witches have been known to form little posses of children to watch and go after those who have been deemed by the ambassa-witches as being someone they want to get rid of. What a wonderful example to set for children. You, yourself, stole graphics and passed them off as your own work and then profited from them being sold to customers in the FooMart. You and your buddies have no business being anywhere near power on that site, and certainly not allowed to be directing children in any manner whatsoever.
DeleteIf you do not change your behavior and adjust your character, any future you may have had when you grow up, if you grow up, will never amount to anything.
"Ambassa-witches have been known to form little posses of children to watch and go after those who have been deemed by the ambassa-witches as being someone they want to get rid of." ~ I don't ever remember taking orders from anyone on foo as to who to watch etc, I had my own fights going on and did not take orders from FA's or anyone else, I am funny enough my own person with my own morals and code of doing.
Delete"If you do not change your behavior and adjust your character, any future you may have had when you grow up, if you grow up, will never amount to anything." ~ I actually have a bright life ahead of me, because I don't waste my time on witch hunts...unlike some...
"You, yourself, stole graphics and passed them off as your own work and then profited from them being sold to customers in the FooMart." ~ Graphics which did not have a copy right, and at the time foo was not enforcing this rule over copy rights, how was anyone to know?...Considering I sell and make artwork on the side of my university studies, I would know, if you fail to put a water mark or some form of copy right on the pictures when you put them online, it's only you to blame when things go wrong, we know human nature will take when it can, so you don't give them that head start!
I suppose that brats should be murdered Kizzee. Yes that is a very mature and responsible defense. One I have heard used a lot lately in real life. I understand it is not easy. What I do not understand is how other a's seem to manage dealing with the "brats" both child and adult and a life complex with tragedy and pain and sorrow. I know that they have difficulties in their lives. Now days there are few of us that do not. And children are not exempt from those worries and tragedies. But the a's never ever break the boundaries between their personal life and feelings and their responsibilities to FooPets as a representative and protector of it's customers. Except for one. Why is that do you think? Jealous of her, of you? You have got to be kidding me.
ReplyDeleteEXACTLY!
Deleteoh, my, my. and here i was just talking about how everyone here uses good manners and language. (sigh) welcome to the Foop, Kizzee, you obviously haven't been here very much. this is not the forums, love, around here we tend to respect each other and act like ladies and gentlemen WITHOUT the threat of being berated or deleted if we do not...and i see your intemperate post has provoked Forum-like responses. ah, well. this is Liberty Hall, no censorship goes on here - people are free to show their dirty underwear to their heart's content. i WOULD ask that you remember that this is an any-age venue and not talk about murdering children, however. (anon of the double post - if you would like the misplaced one removed, i can do that when i'm wearing Gold Rush's hat, just let me know)
ReplyDeleteas is usual in the Forums with this sort of sidestrike, you are long on bluster and lean on facts, and those you do have are less than pellucid...the reference to Kayina is interesting, if irrelevant - shorti being one of her closest friends, and long-time breeding partner, and all - one might even wonder if you'd like us to think you ARE shorti. i've known Kaylina (whose real name and personal email i am privy to) for many years, and i seriously doubt she'd appreciate the way you are using her name.
yes, shorti does things none of us could do...that is essentially the problem, lol. we are quite aware what powers and responsibilities are entrusted to ambassadors - and we are aware that in recent times, for whatever reasons, shorti has abrogated hers. this is not opinion, but screenshotted and demonstrated fact.
as far as anyone here wishing to be an ambassador, i rather doubt that - we are all too busy to desire an unpaid career minding other people's business, which is 90% or more of what an amb does. i suppose to some that would be appealing...though with your "a"ttitude, if you are not one already, it is unlikely to occur under the new regime. if any here have ambitions, it would more likely be for a true position in management where much-needed improvements can be made, not a glorified babysitter, whatever the power perks.
Obvious you didn't read my reply to your post yesterday....but she did...and her reference to me is that she agrees with me...for the record...Kizzee is NOT shorti...Kizzee is actually privy to my real name...and my actual real email address which is different then the one you have...
DeleteAs for not wanting a career minding other peoples business, all you need to do is add adsense to this blog and you are doing just that.
I use to have a lot of respect for you, but this vendetta you guys are on turns my stomach. It was one thing when you thought you could control foopets before under old management...btw how did that work out for you?? Thats right it didn't...now you think that since new management is in that you have a chance, here is a little tip for you...*Whispers* everything you do...is in your profile hidden from your sight but not from admins. You think the admins haven't seen your blog?? they see this...they also know Shorti's history, every screen shot, every letter good and bad, they are not fools. Seeing all the Fas are still Fas...I'm guessing they don't agree with you guys...
Keep your dream of being real management on foopets with the paid position and all...everyone needs dreams...
"i WOULD ask that you remember that this is an any-age venue and not talk about murdering children, however." If you think I literally meant I would run around murdering children then I am deeply concerned, I meant it as a show of how frustrated I would get from being an fa (which I never seek to be)...in fact, I can barely hurt a fly....I don't even let animals get butchered for my food, now how can I honestly then run around murdering children?....hmmm, taking statements of emotional metaphors literally will just give you wrong impressions of people.
DeleteI am passionate, nothing more... definitely not a murderer...in any sense!
And I am new to the blogging set up, since I tend to be doing my project work, because I have a career to build, rather than a voluntary workers work to crush....but that is just me lol!
And please don't ever assume I use someone's name is out of context or incorrect, it was in context as I was addressing everyone and stating that you were all not FA's or never had been, I was decent enough to *notice* Kaylina's post like no one else, so I made sure she was not included in that statement, since she was once an FA...K?! I am not stupid, and I am not hard to understand, if I don't like someone it is made very clear, but I would never smear a friends name in the mud...or assume things about them which were not obvious to be true, unlike some!
Wow... I used to respect and like you, Kaylina, but your accusations and jibes here are causing me to re-think how I feel. I know Kizzee, and I know that she can't really help it -- but you? Oh my...
DeleteAs for the new owners and what they are or intend to do as regards Fas and rules, maybe you have privileged inside information; If so, then they are perhaps worse than the old owners in pretending to be open whilst hiding relevant information. And in that case I shall continue to close down my accounts as they come due, because contrary to what you and Kizzee and your other pal seem to think, I have a much better life outside of foo than I ever had within it.
Hi Carrie, nice to meet you.
DeleteI don't lose respect for people who defend their friends, which is essentially what Kaylina, myself and Wyn are doing...yes we may come with aggression, yes we may come with the motive of defence, but if this was anyone else's friend, they would be in the same mind set.
And you know me, have we spoken before?...As I have to say, and many people who know me will agree with me too, how I act in a public view is very different to how I act when with friends or getting along with someone, for the pure fact I have always preferred to be "hated and left alone, than loved and smothered"...and that works for me, not everyone, but for me it works.
"because contrary to what you and Kizzee and your other pal seem to think, I have a much better life outside of foo than I ever had within it." ~ I never remember telling people they have a poor life, just that they are bored enough to try to form a witch hunt against someone, to the extent of getting her out of her job, then I think people have too much time on their hands, and therefore need to adjust things in their life, hence my phrase "get a new life"...was it harsh? Maybe, but I stand true to my words...and I won't go back on my opinion now, as it is the exact same, this witch hunt is just too far.
Here here Carrie. The only thing left at FooPets that interests me is the pets. The rest is all twaddle and empty promises. I have all of you elsewhere now and of course the real pets that make life so interesting and worthwhile. I have to laugh that these little girls think we do not have lives. I just feel sorry for the innocents who may wander into that pack of beasts and think that is a fun place to play. It a Grimm's fairy tale with trolls hiding under bridges and evil princesses turning children into little monsters. It could be entertaining if one is into sadomasochism and watching zombie flicks. I must say this display of tantrums is entertaining. What a bunch of babies.
DeleteAnd I am another anon who prefers my privacy. Who I am and what I do is none of anyone's business but those I chose to inform. Having lived in the police state known as Fooville and still having loved ones there it is only prudent.
Yes, plz do delete my dbl post. I was so rattled by the ignorance, I misposted. Thx
DeleteI personally like the fact Shorti is blunt & to the point, I see no issue with her doing it, and I speak to kids the same as I speak to adults, as funny enough even children need to learn that adults will not be as nice as their parents 24/7. Of all the a's to speak to, I only speak to Shorti, what does that say? It says I actually trust her to be helpful and honest, she has had to tell me off, she has had to draw the lines and she has put me in my place, so I know when I go to talk to her, she see's me like everyone else. I have seen other fa's use their power to get legacies before the AC, favour their friends & even twist rules around to their favour.
ReplyDeleteAnd I hope Shorti stays clear of you, in fact I find the funniest fact here that those posting against her, don't even show your names (hint hint!)You want to speak about people? Let's get your names so we can pin this to you how you can now pin my words to me. I find it cowardliness to hide behind the name "Anonymous".....come on, let's all know each other by name!
"But now I see you're just another lost soul with a narcissistic personality and it's only natural that you'd stick up for others like yourself." You are actually kidding me right?....really, this is what you think I am? then be my guest, because at least I know when I look in the mirror I am brave enough to state my opinions of people with my name shown and I can take whatever you think of me, because honestly, none of you even know me, so pfft like I give 2 cents what you think....nah ah!!
If you feel this strongly about Shorti, I suggest you head on over to support and express those concerns, since they are already aware of this, and I am not so weak as to hide behind other names, they have spoken to me, and not one thing came up about what I have said to you....funny that, maybe they agree?!....So sorry to drop your little dreams & hopes of ending someone's fa career on foo, but Shorti is staying where she is as a FA. Sorry to burst your bubble!!!
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Delete*cowardness
ReplyDeleteMy name is Martin. Lily is my Daughter. My daughter has asked me to allow her to continue posting here and her Mother and I have discussed this. I wanted to read and make my own judgement. I am appalled how people can go to such lengths and become an online witch hunt.
ReplyDeleteI felt that most of these posts were not too bad, in content, but the entire idea. No, I am sorry. I do not want my Daughter exposed to such hatred. There is enough hatred in this world in real life settings.
I do have a question of my own. I see that there is a petition. Why is it not posted here for all to see and why would a person have to send email to get it?
After I send this I will be blocking this web page so my Daughter no longer has access to it.
I'm happy to see that there is parents that care about what their kids do online...I applaud you and your wife in your decision!!
DeleteMartin, maybe you should keep Lily away from here, as it seems that you are unable to assess the possible damage to her correctly. I am so glad that you are blocking her access, and maybe it would be wise to block her access to the foo forums also.
DeleteThis is no witch hunt, it is a forum wherein people who play the foopets game have aired their concerns; for the past year and more those concerns have been trampled by the Admins and ambassadors on foo, and we have the right here to discuss how we feel about that, and whether we feel that some ambassadors have the correct attitude to be moderators.
As for the petition, I am sure it will be posted when the creator of it is ready.
in all honesty, had this comments section looked like this at the time, i would have recomended that Lily remain away myself...i am somewhat ashamed of what i see here, and can only assume that in the absense of the "real" Forums, lost souls are finding the Comments here the nest best thing.
DeleteKizzee, i didn't think you meant the "brats" remark literally, but as you can see from the above we do - or did, the thought presently makes ne uneasy - have young visitors who could misinterpret such a remark and get upset.
In the anger of the day (and it was early morning lol) I looking back did say a very strong metaphor, one which only those who truly know me will realise right off I did not mean. I am not a murderer in any sense on any being of life that I can promise you all.
DeleteBut I still stand by my statements, I just apologise if they were too harsh for young ears...or eyes in this case.
Wow. Just wow. How the heck does this thread start off with informative and spec ulative updates about what the new owners are doing for Foo into an all out witch hunt about shorti? Seriously ya'll? Kaylina was right in her posting above. This is NO better than when Harp had her witch hunt in forums much like this one against her. I find it so funny that no one has even REPLIED to anything that Kaylina has said on here about how disgusted she is with ALL of you who keep posting about your hate for shorti on this thread.
ReplyDeleteAdults? None of you are acting like it. How just one post turned this thread from informing to bashing, I will never know, but I can tell you one thing, I am pretty darn certain that what you all are doing can be classified as slandering and if you think that the new owners of Foo are going to listen to a bunch of hypocritical child adults, then you are out of your flippin' minds.
Have I told you today how much I love you?? Expect to hear it!!
DeleteLOL. Love you too sweetheart. :))♥((:
DeleteSorry to burst your bubble, but it's only slander if it's false. There is plenty of documentation and screenshots to prove Shorti's behavior. So good luck with that.
DeleteFurther, this is not a witch hunt, but an outlet. For Pete's sake, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... IT'S A DUCK. Get over it. People need to have somewhere to go where they can express their feelings without fear of retribution. I am not a coward, I am just sick to death of the bulls**t.
MODERATOR: (simple definition) a person who monitors the conversations in an on-line chatroom for bad language, inappropriate content, etc
I can't find one definition anywhere on the net that says a moderator's job is to threaten, condescend, stalk and otherwise bully people. Shorti not only does all that and more, she encourages other people to join in. Only when she and her "followers" are finished attacking other members, does she lock posts. And even then, she isn't done. She clicks right on over to members' profiles and drops her two cents there. Anyone, ANYONE who isn't on her list of "buddies" who dares stand up to her is at risk of having their posts deleted and/or being suspended. No one person should have that much power, especially when they're SO unbelievably IMMATURE and UNPROFESSIONAL with it.
And for anyone who doubts, yes, I DO know what a narcissist is and judging by everything I've seen and know about her, trust me, she can easily slide under that label. Have you told her lately that the world doesn't revolve around her? Pffft!
Ah and speaking of cowards, why is it that Shorti never comes to her own defense? Even on site she doesn't defend any accusations, real or imagined, she just deletes and suspends. Why? Because she has no excuse for her behavior. She KNOWS she's wrong in how she deals with people. Why else would she sit back and let you and her other "followers" fight her battles? She hides behind her title and behind you and others like you. Is she so weak that she can't stand up for herself? That's just sad.
Finally, why is it so bloody important for you folks to know who we are? Knowing our names won't change one thing and begging us to tell you isn't going to make it happen. Knowing our names will only give you and your mentor the ability to attack harder on site. Why would we want to give you that ability? We're not afraid, no. We're just sick to death of the bulls**t. You give your names only because, at this point, you still have Shorti to "protect" you. Take that ability away from her and you folks would NOT be here or anywhere else online fighting her battles.
The woman is a menace and if the new owners can't or won't see it and take appropriate action, then they're no better than past owners and I not only hope, but expect to see a LOT of people leave.
(sigh) Wyntarra, your guess is as good as mine. while i don't hold the rosy picture of shorti-as-a that it appears some do, i don't demonize her either. nor do i see her going against a stated corporate policy, and as they have said that dissatisfaction and dissent are a normal and healthy reaction to the ways things have been on Foo up until now, they are obviously not going to advocate or support a pogrom, so the whole thing is essentially a nonissue.
Deleteyes, people come here to blow off steam in private. now the "opposition" has joined them and everyone is blowing steam at each other...and it's getting rather foggy. enjoy yourselves, i suppose it's better than no forums at all for those to whom they matter...me, i think it's all pretty silly.
by the way, if people genuiinely want to see the petition, i'll post a link...start this foolishness there, however, and i'll yank it and redo it. ONE post to a customer - think first, then write. additional posts by ANYONE will be deleted, unlike here.
If no one likes what they are reading here, why not just go away? It seems that the three of you are enjoying this very much, all the while expressing your "disgust". Pot calling the kettle black!
ReplyDeletePS: As was suggested by Kizzee, I know of quite a few, including myself, who have already reported to Support, with plenty of proof to back our claims up. Shorti is staying? That's fine then, because clearly the garbage her and the rest of you are spewing forth with your power trips is not worth the stay, the money or even the acknowledgement any further.
PPS: I expect to hear how childish everyone is being again, all the while acting like children yourselves, lol. Naturally, you all are the epitome of maturity.
DeleteYep......
Signing out,
Your friendly Coward.
Glad you agree your being a coward, so no chance of a name from foo?...Shame, guess you can't handle taking the responsibility for this, especially as now you know Shorti is staying...lost your guts, hmm?!..
DeleteWhat exactly are we suppose to be enjoying?? Sticking up for someone we feel deserves it?? or calling out people for doing to one person what they claim she does to them?? Also to people on site, I've seen a lot of you bullying others, whats good for the goose I guess right?? Screen shots only go so far...especially when they are doctored...and I can pick those out a mile away...(pssst so can support)
DeleteUs sticking up for her is a power trip??...but you guys going on a blogging rant and petition against one person isn't?? Now THERE is the pot calling the kettle black (See what I did there...used that saying in the right context)
I'm pretty sure I know who you are regardless of the not saying who you are....everyone has writing styles...go ahead...stop paying on site (as if you will do that, we know you will stay) and don't acknowledge our posts...(like you're really not going to keep reading, might not post but you will read!!)
Be done with this blog and don't grace us with your presence any longer...
Oh shoot Kizzee...there goes the entertainment!! Wait...we weren't posting for entertainment were we?? oh well then no loss to be had....
Hmmm was I a bit mean there?? So sorry
♥ to Kaylina =0)
DeleteKaylina we are all very aware you are an expert on doctored photos so feel free to judge their authenticity...oh wait,you can`t now can you since you no longer have any official capacity on Foo.
DeleteBingo.
DeleteKaylina, I stopped paying back in October, so yes, I did go ahead and do that. :) And no, you still don't know who I am, nor will I ever disclose that information now. Is it being a coward? No, it's knowing that the personal information you know about me will clearly be used against me now for no other reason than you can. We haven't talked on a friendly level for quite some time, and nor will we ever again by the level of attitude you adopted.
DeleteTake care, and well wishes to your brother.
OK,I'm confused. Yesterday in the forums, I saw Kaylina and Kizzee saying that those who took advantage of the Unicorn room (which was dishonest) should not have been suspended, that it was too harsh. Yet you both condone Shorti's behavior? She has banned people for way less than that. Shorti is doing more than her job. She abuses the power of her "a".
ReplyDeleteI am an "a" for another website where politics is one of the main topics that people post about. You think Foo is bad? Our "A"s would reprimand or fire me if I behaved like she does. She encourages bullying just as much as she tries to stop bullying, by not remaining impartial and punishing one side only. Part of an "a"s job is remaining impartial. You guys are just as big of bullies as those you claim bully you and others.
As for posting with anonymously, there is a big difference between being a coward and being stupid.
Signing off with my new nickname:
NOT STUPID
I also gave a reason as to why on foo, to which I know for a fact Shorti agrees with me. There has been enough suspending/banning of members for foo's mistakes and I don't feel that anyone else needs to be. Yes people who knew of the bg glitch and knowingly took advantage is dishonest. Undoing all their sales and money is enough punishment for them. Maybe you should read my earlier post (the one nobody seems to have seen)...she can't suspend anyone without just cause and proof of wrong doing, that is how it is, how it has always been.
DeleteNo need for a new nickname, I know your real one...although I'm not surprised to see you posting here...I suspected you to being who you are...but thanks for confirming it for me.
You are more than welcome, sweetie!
Delete"She abuses the power of her "a"." ~ I have never seen Shorti unjustly suspend someone, and the reason I said that banning/suspending would be too far, is because I personally know a victim form the art scam glitch thing (whatever it was!) who was suspended because someone bought her pet with the money from the art glitchy thing, so I am not condoning extreme suspension, I have never seen Shorti suspend someone for unjust reasons, because you won't always know the full story, and sometimes people do deserve to be banned/suspended, and I have seen those people get away with too much on foo, and still go on...so surely if Shorti could twist things in her favour & we are all her little army, they would be gone....but they aren't...so let's put 2 + 2 together right?!...
DeleteAnd I have seen other FA's abuse their power how you state, and do more, I have never seen Shorti abuse her power but I have seen other FA's...why don't you go hound them?...Oh that's right, because you as a member always had this personal vendetta with Shorti, and your group of friends...oh yes I am aware who you are, you gave that one away...and believe me, the crap you say I can never believe, because you and your friends back on foo just drove people crazy....
I do believe the two of you are threatening me? Gonna tattle on me? Sure you know who I am, sugar pie. :) Or do you?
DeleteWhat threat was ever put in place, you know who I am and I don't care you know, I can have a pretty good guess at who you are by your statements and what you do...but honestly I don't ever remember threatening you, I don't even know what I would threaten you with...we get told to tone down our "victim" twists, yet only ones I see playing any form of victim are those who are trying to argue and petition that Shorti should be fired, none of us who willingly come here to defend Shorti have turned around with any victim plea...something to think on maybe!
DeleteI can understand your asking Kizzee and myself to go away because, well, we came of our own violation but Kaylina was INVITED to come here. If you cannot handle HER criticism, then maybe you should have thought of that before you all started spewing your volatile hateful sludge of toxic verbal wastage on here about someone you all knew she supported hands down?
ReplyDeleteThis thread started out being very useful, talking about the new updates, the new owners and how much more smoothly things were seeming to go and such. ONE person posted something about shorti and ALL of you jumped on the "let's hate on shorti" bandwagon.
Are you guys so blind as to not see that even a PARENT decided that after reading your disgusting behavior on here that she BLOCKED your thread from their daughter's viewing privileges? Does this NOT speak volumes to how your behavior is NO better than that of which you seem to claim shorti's is? And you want to tell ME that I am calling the kettle black? Pbbbbbttttt.
Feel better now? I bet you do, lol.
Delete;)
DeleteWyntarra,no one is asking you or Kizzee to leave.By all means stay and make yourselves heard.Personally I don`t "hate" shorti- I just don`t respect her methods.
DeleteViolation? Freudian slip.
DeleteParent? LOL I suspect that parent and child are one and the same and neither of them are "Lily" or "Martin." I'm happy to see "them" go. It's very difficult to read something that an adult has written, trying so hard to sound like a child.
But whatever, however, whenever. It is what it is.
Lily, if your mum doesn't want you to be here then I hope you are respecting her wishes and not peeping in anyway. If you ARE peeping in anyway, then I hope you will be able to learn how to differentiate between adults being "not nice" in the foopet forum and the people holding a reasonable discussion here. If you cannot tell the difference yet, then I would say that you certainly should not be looking at any forums until you are old enough. I am glad that you like the a's and can see that some of them are really nice. I shall not bother to explain who Joshua is since, being a good girl, you are not here of course to see the answer.
ReplyDeleteFor those who are up in arms in defence of shorti, you have the perfect right to feel the way you do for your friend and colleague -- but it doesn't mean that you have an accurate perception of how she behaves to others.
Kaylina, welcome, it is good to see you participate here. And I am sad that you say you will not be back; I think you are having too much of a knee-jerk reaction there but that's life. Thank you for the little glimpse into recent history behind the scenes. I think it is sad that, when those of us who guessed that it was the Rivet staff who were being the worst offenders to their paying customers, not one single ambassador was willing to explain the situation as you have done so lucidly here. Instead, anyone who tried to guess at the truth was sat upon and fed the "party line" even though the untruth of it could be demonstrated clearly; such protesters were not even taken to one side with an explanation.
I personally have never disliked you, Kaylina, nor had any worries about the way that you inter-acted with people in the foopets forums, although you sometimes used the frustrating copy/paste method of answering people instead of reading the individual problem -- and that of course was understandable given the amount of pressure that you were under as an "a". I know I would never wish to take on such a job! Of course Shorti has been doing a thankless job, but she could have refused to do it or given it up any time; no ambassador has to carry on.
The whole flagging system could do with a re-vamp, but as things stand I imagine that it is subject to abuse. I have seen perfectly good posts flagged to oblivion by one of the "new wave" of black stars, and that must be extremely frustrating. But I doubt that Shorti is worried about that, it sounds as if she doesn't like being flagged "funny". It is sad if people use it to annoy others, but not the end of the world and certainly not something that merits the kind of ranting that we have seen recently.
ReplyDeleteI am sure that the old Admins were locking or deleting anything that they did not like -- it has become clear that they did not want to be bothered by the foo players or even understand their issues. It seemed clear that they were happy when they trained their "a"s to clamp down. Those old owners would say now and then that they were "working on" various ideas and issues. People in the forums believed that and posted arguments against those who said that nothing was being done, and the ambassadors -- who must have known better -- also said that the owners were working hard on issues. We have new owners now, who say that they are dealing with code that was not even touched for a year. We hope that these new owners will start to take a real interest in their customers.
So the "a"s need perhaps to learn a new, more relaxed attitude on the forums. I think that a good start would be to keep on the "a"s who are perceived by most to be fair and decent, and Parrotlady is a perfect example of that kind of perception. Shorti could probably do with a rest, anyway. She has been an ambassador for too long perhaps. If she is desperate to stay as an "a" I have to wonder, why??
As Gold Rush says, kids can be just as bad at picking on others as any grownup. It is a matter of people picking on those who are weaker than them, which brings me back to the problem that some of us see with the way that "power" seems to have gone to shorti's head. And that is what is worrying those of us here who are discussing the possibility of clipping her claws somewhat. She seems to be too keen on punishment, which is not always the way to deal with the more vulnerable children. My friend has, for instance, screen shots of her saying that kids need to be spanked enough to mind. Foopets is played by a wide, varied type of person with differing problems, and ambassadors for the game should understand that fact.
As for Kizzee and whoever, I have not seen anyone ask you to leave? Canaan runs a wonderful open forum here. It is perfectly within any adult's rights to shield their kids' eyes from the terrible truths being told here LOL
And now I am caught up on the amazing flames which have erupted between my starting to write the above and managing to post them... LOL... You people have me in stitches. Wyntara, "disgusting"? Really? A simple discussion by powerless players regarding how we would like to see the game controlled? ROFL...
ReplyDeleteI have not seen "hate" here, at least not until the madhatter's party arrived, simply reasoned arguments. God bless you all, you remain as entertaining as ever.
.*Whispers* everything you do...is in your profile hidden from your sight but not from admins. You think the admins haven't seen your blog?? they see this...they also know Shorti's history, every screen shot, every letter: quote from Kaylina above
ReplyDeleteOK SO THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION..has foopets put a trojan horse on my computer that sees everything I do? wow I do believe that would be quite the invasion of privacy and illegal
Of course they have - why do you think you have to clear your cache so often when you play FooPets? It mucks up your computer. It is a stinking load of spyware, adware and malware. And how do you think they posted all those memberships before they were due to their credit cards? How embarrassing that that old chestnut popped up for the new owners when a program was opened for service. It was a cesspool of infractions and illegal activities. Perhaps one of the reasons the new owners are taking so long to become public is they are wading through all the legal difficulties and making sure there will be no surprises to bite them in the behind.
ReplyDeleteAnd now we learn that Rivet basically turned it over to the inmates and gave no support what so ever? Now I understand why the forums were like they were. It was survival of the fittest. It is a bloody miracle there was anything left for anyone to rescue from the ashes.
You all say that this is not a witch hunt, that there is no hate. That this is merely a group of people getting together because they are frustrated by the acts of a few players and you wish to make a difference. I am here to say that "making a difference" is not done by mudslinging, verbal abuse, and slander. All these things that you accuse Shorti of, that you accuse others of, the drama, the abuse, I see it all on this thread, but from all of you. I see you taking the names of good people and dragging them through the mud. I find it sad, I find it frustrating, and it makes me angry. To be upset over what you feel is wrong treatment is one thing, but to blatantly badmouth people and trash them is quite another. And to do so in such high-handed fashion is something I feel you should be ashamed of.
ReplyDelete"If I want to pay a dominatrix to humiliate and bully me there are sites I can go to." - From Anon
"she and her minions are everywhere." - Again from Anon
And if I can just make a point about this because I see the word "minions" in many posts, Shorti doesn't have minions, she has friends. Friends who have her back because she happens to be one heck of a wonderful woman. Does she have people that follow her about and point fingers at others who do wrong and whisper in her ear? No. Do people report regular offenses to her in her capacity as an Ambassador yes. But no minions. She's not some evil warlord or sorceress. Come on.
"to her latest show of terror." - Anon
"taking screens of her garbage" - Anon
Surely as adults, we can find better adjectives. Is the trash talk really necessary even if you have an issue? You guys who claim to be above the bullying?
"I would hate to be one of her children" - Carrie
If you're referring to what you perceive her faults to be as an Ambassador, why do you feel it necessary to knock her personal life? Is that necessary? Do you find it appropriate?
"can't imagine anyone being so invested and sensitive as all that but there it was." - CLC1905
In regards to that thread, you only saw the outcome. None of us were privy to what actually started that issue. From what I saw, it was an issue of people using the Funny flag to bully people. Not only Shorti, but other players, children included. If you guys are so against bullying, shouldn't Shorti taking a stand against this type of behavior be viewed in a positive light? This makes 0 sense to me. You can't accept what you perceive to be bullying on one hand and dismiss it on the other simply because it isn't happening to you. Isn't that what all of you people have been preaching about in this thread?
"Is shorti seriously stretching out her tyranny that far" - Anon
Hello Anon. Again with the misuse of totally rude adjectives. Can't any of you just say, "I feel that Shorti may take things too far because..." instead of holding a bashing session? Surely that would be more respectable than sitting here and tossing around words like tyranny. My god.
1. She is not and never was an Ambassador. 2. There are screen shots of her actions and they will be presented to the new owners when they take over. We are not slandering if we can prove the statements and having screenshots and testimony to the events is admissible evidence. 3. We are tired of being afraid to be on the forums. By Kaylinas own admission there was no supervision in the forums or support for over a year and anything could have been done to members. 4. Those quotes are a true expression of experiences that many of us have had or witnessed involving your good friend. I admire a good friend. I have many. So I chose to support my friends that have been abused by your friend and you as well.
Delete1. I'm sorry, I don't follow, who was never an Ambassador? 2. Okay, I never disputed that. You are free to do as you wish with your screen shots of whatever actions you deem to be inappropriate. The slander I am referring to is the mention of how she treats her children, her "having issues", as in, real life issues. Her being a tyrant, a dominatrix, a bully. These are rude words. These are words that you cannot prove to be true. You may be able to prove that someone uses their position unfairly, but you would be hardpressed to prove these adjectives. Therefore, they are slander. 4. Those quotes are demeaning. You all are talking about experiences in which you feel victimized in some way, yet the way some of you are speaking is now further victimization, of Shorti, of Kizzee, and in one case, of Kaylina. If you don't like being a victim, why would you want to treat others how you feel you have been treated? Also, in what way have I been abusive? I find it curious as this is the first time I am mentioned here. And my entire post here was meant to be an eye-opener, not to be abusive in the least.
DeleteSeems I missed 3. Apparently I also can't count. ;)
Delete"oscarthecat had an entire series of posts on FooFB deleted (presumably by shorti), and was banned from posting there, leaving a very falsely colored impression of what they had said." - From Canaan
ReplyDeleteI was there for that entire exchange Canaan. First, I don't believe that Shorti has access to the FB page to delete anything. And I will save my next for your quotes from Oscar...which leave an extremely falsely colored impression of what was actually said that day.
"quoted here are some of the deleted posts" - Canaan
So I gotta say, bravo for the quotes you chose. If you had all of them, you manage to leave out all the ones that were purposely baiting from Oscar, the ones that were basically there to incite an argument. Remember, I was there. The whole time. Oscar came on bored without the forums. She threw out a few misleading "theories" about the fate of Foopets that if read, would have made many people very frightened and could have caused drama. She then made some statements that seemed argumentative, seemed to enjoy the fight she started, and implied that she had come to FB to play because the forums were down and she was bored. She wasn't a concerned Foopetter as your chosen handpicked quotes imply, she was bored and looking to start something. This quote in particular:
"ok so foopets it's simple. WE WANT OUR GAME BACK THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR...please...we are not demanding...we are your customers! we send you money! you should love us for that because without our money you cannot have a game...pretty simple...come and love us and take good care of us and get us back our game"
Was only made after things had calmed down. I should also mention that we threw a little humor her way and we all seemingly made friends, even her and Shorti. We all parted and she went to do something else. Until another person came and commented, then Oscar began to argue once more, the truce forgotten.
"Any adult who would have a temper tantrum because someone found a post funny is not suited to be a moderator." - Anon
Once more, these Funny flags are being used by a certain group of people to bully with impunity. Since flags cannot be traced to their owner, it is the perfect weapon. Children and some adults take this to heart. If you have a serious post that someone flags to oblivion and it can only be taken one way, it is not okay. Shorti was taking a stand against a form of cyber bullying. It may seem trivial to you, but then, you are not that 9 year old child in tears or the mother that has to comfort them.
"There are some wonderful people out there that were driven out of their a positions by the likes of shorti and her followers or by the policies of the old management." - Anon
Who are these people who were driven out? If you are referring to old a's, the only ones I know who were driven out were driven out by Kate herself. Or they left of their own free will due to outside concerns.
"And it was always at least in my mind a tag team effort" - Anon
What exactly would this be?
"Shorti wields her "a" like a sword." - Anon
ReplyDeleteShorti is a strong woman. I admire her for this quality. I have known her since before she was an Ambassador and have always admired this quality in her. If she sees a wrong, she strives to right it, if someone is bullying her, she does not back down. Does strong = bully. No. I think that some have this confused. If a player is acting like a child, throwing a tantrum, they need to be firmly dealt with. I have seen how Shorti works. Her methods are effective. They are not cruel, they are not overzealous. Some people can't handle her because they expect meek. Well that is not who she is. She can be an effective Ambassador, a wonderful Ambassador, without having to change who she is as a person. Each "a" brings a different quality to the table. And as a group, they all benefit from it. Shorti brings a fiery spirit, one that cannot be broken, but one that can be swayed in the interest of being fair. She IS open minded. I see a lot of people judging on seeing one comment or one thread, even one action without ever knowing her side. Have any of you who are throwing these accusations out ever gone to the source and asked why she had the reaction she did that made you so angry at the time you saw it? Don't judge before you have heard all the evidence. It makes you seem foolish.
"I'm not saying he's entirely to blame for this, but he certainly enjoys inciting argument and uncomfort." - Anon
As you seem to enjoy talking trash about other people for no cause. What purpose precisely does that comment serve in this discussion? Beyond belittling someone else that is.
"and to suspend and even ban members for whatever reasons they saw fit." - Goldrush
As I believe Kaylina pointed out, Ambassadors still answer to higher powers when it comes to suspension/banning. There must be proof before it can take place. So all this talk of Shorti just banning members left, right, and center is malicious gossip. Please fact check before spreading things like this. If you're going to claim to be a source of Foo news, you need to get your facts straight BEFORE you post them. Not everyone stays to read through the entire post. And you may color their opinions before they have all the facts. Like saying Brother Games were the new owners?
"But now I see you're just another lost soul with a narcissistic personality and it's only natural that you'd stick up for others like yourself. What you fail to understand is that if you forget to polish her shoes one day, you'll be on the same list we're on." - Anon
Wow. Just wow. For people who claim to be on the side of right, you are certainly quite fast to start pointing fingers and calling names. But you've been namecalling this entire Blog, so this is nothing new. Kizzee is the most loving, kindest, most loyal friend a person could hope to have. She came here because she saw a wrong was being done. It's quite condescending of you to imply that she is in some way a slave to Shorti (polishing her shoes) merely because she chose to defend her. Show some respect. You are allowed to trash talk all you want but when someone comes to the aid of a friend you immediately want to degrade, demean, and dismiss them as insignificant as soon as they post. Not everyone will share your opinions.
I believe it has already been established that there was no supervision while Rivet was in "charge". We know that they did not care a fig about what went on in the forums and let anyone do and say whatever kept the masses quiet. As long as the money kept coming it was fair game. When the mantra "we are working on it" failed to do the trick the next step was intimidation and force. It is an old story and we have had enough.
DeleteThat speaks absolutely nothing to your behavior, or perhaps it was another Anon? Sorry, you guys all look alike to me lol. A joke! Anyhow, that is no defense for the actions I see on this blog. Does that give you the right to be so harmful, so vindictive of everyone, so mean, so rude, so condescending? This to the group doing this, not necessarily you as I obviously don't know who you are.
DeleteFirmly dealing with a situation does NOT, in any way, shape or form, translate into threatening, condescending, and bullying. Period.
Delete"The woman has issues far and above FP and she needs to spend her time dealing with those issues.
ReplyDeleteShorti is COMPLETELY void of compassion and common sense. She and her minions, up until now, have been the only ones allowed to speak their minds and anyone who doesn't agree with her.... Well, you already know or you wouldn't be here." - Same Anon
Sigh. So if you can't prove that Shorti is a bad Fa (because she's not btw) you stoop to insulting her personal life yet again by claiming she has outside issues. And what would those issues be exactly, since you have such intimate knowledge? As far as compassion and common sense? Well, she has far more of both than you give her credit for. She has been there for me through some extremely challenging real world issues. She has also counseled me on Foo when I got angry and would have gone off the handle and potentially done something stupid. She counseled me with common sense, and a lot of it. And again with the minions? Are your friends your minions? Are you really so rude that you would degrade every single person that calls Shorti a friend and basically call them her slave? And yet you have the audacity to preach to Kizzee?
"Because we all would like to be verbally abusive jerks for no other reason than we can. Nothing sounds more appealing than being known as a tyrant on a pet forum......" - Anon
"Just, let's get rid of shorti and fix this whole mess. I's tarred of bein afeared of this *expletive deleted*" - Anon
"If you cared to read anything beyond the last two posts....And since I doubt you will educate yourself with all the previous posts....I also realize that you, dear Kaylina and Kizzee, will find it in your hearts to NOT see anything negative or even try to understand anything different other than your own comfortable seat next to the tyrants. We have every right to be angry and to speak out against this, deal with it. Apparently Shorti and Co. have every right to cyber bully and harass." - Anon
Well Anon, I can honestly say that I have read EVERY SINGLE post on this matter. And you know what I see? Slander. Rudeness. Trashtalk. Condescension. Pretension. Ignorance. Bullying, from the people speaking out against it. A witch hunt. If you all cannot discuss your issues with one person without calling them every name in the book, without dragging their personal lives into it, without dragging in other people, without being rude, disrespectful, vindictive, and downright mean, I don't see how you can continue to go on defending yourselves to others. I defend Shorti, but if you really feel she has done these things, you have proven yourselves no better than what you claim her to be.
There is a difference here. We are being open about our concerns. I know you can sneer about the fact that we are anonymous but those of us who are older remember that there was a time in our history when it was not safe to speak out and you could lose your freedom for doing so. So we are being not cowardly but cautious and practical. We are not on a witch hunt as you say. Other wise we would be lying in wait to side swipe her the minute the new owners come on board. Or we would simply make her time on the forums a living nightmare as she has done to many of us. Personally since I have long given up the forum lifestyle I would not care. But I have friends who enjoy it and have been bruised by her, kids and adults. And we are not going on twitter and screaming for her head. Twitter bores me to tears. As does rambling novellas. We are saying she needs to step down at least for a while and not become a lightening rod and albatross for the new owners. At least if she cares about Foo succeeding. In all the rants in support of her I have not heard one solitary word about her caring whether that happens.
DeleteWe are saying we have a problem with how a person has treated us and we are taking those concerns to the proper authorities when the time is right. I think the phrase "the lady doth protest too much " fits here.
I don't believe I sneered about your Anonymous at all. I said Anon again because I knew I'd be typing it alot. However, I do understand why some of you are less than eager to have your names spread. You are going after an Ambassador. I wouldn't write down my name either. The witch hunt I refer to is because you are willing to bring any subject matter, any topic, any word into the conversation to make your point. At that point it becomes less a noble cause and more of a shameful display of people who have been wronged coming together to complain. Nice knock, btw, I'm sorry this seems rambling to you. I thought this was a place that accepted all opinions, but apparently you're only concerned with ones that suit your own. I'm sure if this was an 800 page diatribe about Shorti's perceived crimes to me, you'd be cheering and waving a flag. As to whether or not she cares, she cares about what happens to Foo. Which is why she continues to do her job as a good Ambassador. While you may not agree with that, many do.
DeleteI protest because you all have slammed my friends. Not only Shorti either. You have done so in a way that is lower than low. Instead of voicing your concerns and moving on, this has become a message of hate. To Shorti and to all who love her or call her a friend. I protest that. I support anyone's right to speak out if they feel they are given a raw deal, I do not support an open forum in which a few people get tossed into the middle of a gang of people and are publicly flogged.
Oh trust me, I can prove she's a "bad Fa." So, can everyone here.
DeleteIndeed. I am sure I am not the only one who has a plethora of screenshots of Shorti's unprofessional and bullying behavior.
Delete"I suppose that brats should be murdered Kizzee." - Anon
ReplyDeleteI have to LOL this one. Of course Kizzee was not being serious. She is not a homicidal maniac prowling Foo in disguise. I can assure she is quite gentle when her friends are not being attacked. Please note I say friends, not masters.
"around here we tend to respect each other and act like ladies and gentlemen" - Canaan
While you are one of the people I haven't really felt the need to quote, I can't see this statement being true. Or at least not in this case. Which I find not only angering on Shorti's behalf, I find it also sad. When Foo was being sold, I checked out this blog and found it a fun place to be. Seeing it now, I am sorely disappointed. I am highly disappointed that some of this behavior is not only condoned, but encouraged. It seems very immature, it seems beneath all of you who are adults. To have an opinion is one thing, to have a party trashing another's reputation is another.
"This is no witch hunt, it is a forum wherein people who play the foopets game have aired their concerns; for the past year and more those concerns have been trampled by the Admins and ambassadors on foo, and we have the right here to discuss how we feel about that, and whether we feel that some ambassadors have the correct attitude to be moderators." - Carrie
Perhaps, if you kept it in that scope, Martin and others would see it in the way you seem to. But you have mentioned her children, her personal life outside of Foo, you have called her derogatory names. How does that fix the problem? What does that have to do with Foo?
"She has banned people for way less than that. Shorti is doing more than her job. She abuses the power of her "a"." - Anon
Yet once more, an Ambassador cannot just ban people willynilly. If she doesn't like you, she can't just ban you. If you violate ToS, she has to provide proof. No abuse there.
"You guys are just as big of bullies as those you claim bully you and others." - Anon
I would argue the same of many on this blog. Many things on here are totally inappropriate for the discussion. Verbal bashing? Seems like bullying to me. Surely you can have an adult conversation with no namecalling? And no bringing up personal lives? And this was BEFORE Kay, Kiz, and Wyntarra stepped into the picture.
Regarding Kizzee's statement about murdering children, I have one question to you defending her words, Do you really think that an honest to God CHILD would pick up on her sarcasm? If I were a kid, a real kid, not someone trying to post as a one, that statement would bother the hell out of me.
DeleteYou already got it wrong, it was not sarcasm, but me using stronger more powerful metaphors to how frustrated I would be if I did what Shorti did, again.
DeleteAnd FYI, I am friends with many teens on foo, as I am not that old and they find comfort in speaking to me, so clearly I am not the kid scarer you are making me out to be, I am blunt and expressive, take it as it is and you get the total wrong impression, and even kids know when an adult is being expressive, since kids do it too!
"but it doesn't mean that you have an accurate perception of how she behaves to others." - Carrie
ReplyDeleteI mentioned this earlier. Do you have an accurate perception of every time she has done something you have disagreed with, WHY Shorti did it? Have you ever asked?
And now I would just like to say a few last words as my post has been long and I'm sure I have gotten more than a few eyerolls and sighs. Though the subject matter here has angered me, infuriated me, I have tried to set a tone in my post that was not 100% harsh. Why? Because I'd really like some of the more levelheaded among you to see that some of your behavior is over the top and unwarranted. From an outsiders perspective, see Martin, it was even viewed negatively, and he had no stock one way or the other. Yes, you are all free to your opinions. But do you really need to use your voices to degrade and destroy people? To try to hurt and harm them with your words? To verbally abuse and batter? Is that the message you want to send?
I saw this post when it first began to talk about Shorti. I desperately wanted to come to the aid of my friend, to her defense. This is a woman I have known for years. As I have known Kaylina, or BBK, or Kizzee, Joshua, as I know Wyntarra. These are people I love. So why did I wait? I talked to Shorti, and she asked me not to post. She didn't want to further the argument, she didn't want to cause drama, and she didn't want me, her friend, caught in the middle. So I have held my tongue out of respect for her wishes because after all, this whole blog is about her. But finally I am speaking. I have made this a very big attempt not to be derogatory, not be harsh or hurtful, even though it hurts me deeply and angers me so much to read what you have written about my friends. But I want this post to be an eye opener. I don't want a battle, I want an ender. I want some of you to look at your posts and realize you didn't have to go so far. Will this achieve that? Probably not. But it should, it really should.
I think that the final word should be from FooPets themselves. The real FooPets. Not the old guard that is struggling to keep it fist on the control button.
Delete"FooPets: You guys deserved to be upset, we understand it has been rough. We are here to help, and we are listening to each and every one of you!"
Now that is the FooPets I want to hear from. Until the new FooPets is up and running all this blather is just that. Nothing but hot air and empty threats. Keep on talking. The more you talk the more desperate you seem.
Okay. I seem desperate? I was a little hopeful I guess. I was hopeful not that I could convince you to abandon your attempts to sign the petition, I was hopeful that at the very least I could convince you to do it in a more civilized manner. I was optimistic about it. This was my first post today. It was long so I had to break it up. But desperate? No. Because I don't believe your petition is going to work. Which is why I'm not trying to convince you to stop. I'd love to see you act like adults though and stop being so rude to all who enter here who don't share your opinion. I tried to voice mine in a somewhat less judgemental manner than what I originally intended. I hoped to help you guys see that all this viciousness was unnecessary. You don't have to mudsling to sign a petition. That was my main point. But you have all missed that point it seems.
DeleteROFLMAO!! Yes, Azkani, we all know you don't want to lose the people who protect your backside as you cheat to high heaven. It's been a good run for you, but hopefully soon, it will be over.
DeleteWon't it be fun when you are judged by the same rules as everyone else. I wonder how long you will last then.
If you don't believe the petition will "work," then why worry about it? Why do you care if it gets signed? More than that, you say we should find a more "civilized" way to handle the situation. What could be more civilized than a simple petition? The new owners need to hear from the people who have been wronged by Shorti. They need to know the reasons we feel the way we do. Then it will be up to them whether or not she keeps her position. My hope is that she doesn't. But if she does, I hope she's removed long enough to be taught the proper way to deal with people. Especially, when emotions flare as they often do.
DeleteI definitely have not one iota of respect for Shorti. In my experience and in reading of other people's experiences with her, she is not a nice person. And if she is, she hides it very well with regard to her role as an administrator/forum moderator.
There's two sides to every coin and I hope that the new owners weigh both sides equally. And I have to tell you, I've worked customer service and I would have been booted out the door with a quickness, if I dealt with people the way she does. I don't remember her giving birth to any of us. She has no right to speak to us the way she does, no matter what her friends think. We are NOT her children.
We need someone who is level-headed and able to handle things in a mature, unbiased manner. Someone who is firm and FAIR. This is NOT Shorti. Of course, her friends will disagree. That's fine. But at this point, it's time to let the "evidence" speak for us. And there is plenty.
This whole situation makes me sad. But I've never been one to sit idly by and let another person treat me bad. I've tried to reason with her, but she will NOT listen. She makes up her mind about something and that's that. You either agree or you go. There's no middle ground with her. She doesn't care about who you are or why you feel the way you do. It's all about Shorti. She blatantly abuses the privilege she's been given and I'm sorry her friends can't see that. You can disagree with someone and still be their friend, you know. And I don't believe for one minute that you folks agree with the way she handles things. If you do, if you really do, then I'm sad for you too.
Signed,
-Me
To the first Anon:
Delete"ROFLMAO!! Yes, Azkani, we all know you don't want to lose the people who protect your backside as you cheat to high heaven. It's been a good run for you, but hopefully soon, it will be over.
Won't it be fun when you are judged by the same rules as everyone else. I wonder how long you will last then."
And now you're just making things up LOL. How amusing. In what way am I a cheater? I am one of the most honest people you will ever come across. If I feel something is wrong, I will voice it, even if I am in a room of people who disagree. If I found a wallet stuffed with cash, I would return it, even if I had no money to feed myself. A cheater? I have to shake my head. Where do you even come up with these accusations you hurl out? I've never been in trouble once, suspended/banned, not before Shorti, not after. That's because I follow the rules and because I am an honest person. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. But please, even if you dislike me, don't spread lies. Disliking a person is one thing, saying rude things about me, okay fine, but spreading outright lies? Surely that's beneath even you? Or maybe not. Maybe that's how you get your kicks. If you're an adult, YOU really should be ashamed to stoop to such behavior. And no matter what you may think of me, or of Shorti, we're not going anywhere. But contrary to your belief, I don't need protection to stay on Foo, if I was doing something wrong, I would be busted for it. Friendship does not mean impunity. It does not give me a pass to do as I wish on the site. I'm sorry to whoever you are because you obviously have some malice for me, but since I don't know who you are, I can't know what I have done to provoke such a hatred beyond posting my feelings for a friend here.
Don't even start with me.
Delete1. You bought scammed pets and were protected when doing so.
2. You cheated in the fashion shows and were protected when doing so.
You are protecting your good thing. As you have said before, they protect your back and so you are protecting them.
If the new owners have any sense, they will rid the place of the lot of you. That includes your partners-in-crime, such as BBK.
The idea of ambassadors was, I guess, a good idea once upon a time. But, they were not trained, nor adequately supervised, and turned into a mini-mafia. It should be abolished for a time, so that the memories of the reign of terror by these individuals, can dim from memory. Then maybe later, if the function is reinstated, the positions should be for a short period of time, then they go back to being a regular customer. It would also be important that these people receive some modicum of training, even if that is nothing more than guidelines of what their behavior should be like. That, and supervision of their activities, would make the whole deal work out much better.
1. Where on earth are you coming up with this? I have never bought a scammed pet. Or if I did, it was never to my knowledge. I would never hurt someone in such a manner. My friends have been scammed and I have fought to get their pets back for them. I have paid money to the people that bought the pets knowingly so that my friends could have their loved ones returned to them. I would never harm an individual in that manner. I would never victimize someone in that way, not when I have seen the pain it has caused others. Why would you even accuse me of that?
Delete2. LOL, and once again, pulling lies from thin air! You are absolutely unbelievable! As I said prior. I am an honest individual. So if you're going to stand there and blatantly accuse me, you damn well better have some proof to back up these accusations. Because I am not going to sit here and listen to lies. I don't cheat, and I don't steal. Period.
I am not protecting anything. If the Ambassadors went away, I would still be there, I hate to burst your little hate filled bubble. I had an idea that I had enemies on the site, but I had no idea that I had people who would stoop so low with such vicious unfounded attacks. And funny, you hide so I can't even properly defend myself by telling you what I'm sure I must know you have done. Because to make such an enemy, I must have crossed you in the past, and I generally only cross people if I feel they're doing something wrong. Take a look down below, I'm having a civilized conversation with someone down there. Maybe you could learn some pointers on how to act like a human being from her.
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Deleteand this is my favorite shortie quoted (and believe it or not this is still up in the forums! oh my):
ReplyDeletemy mom swung a vicious paddle and was not afraid to use it to get her point across. for a long time i never thought about right or wrong…only is my mom going to bust my butt for this stupid stunt ? if my answer was probably, then i didn’t do it. now as an adult with kids of my own i know that it was a very simplified version of right and wrong but it worked well until i was old enough to gain the insight to that concept. am i that harsh with my kids ? no , but i will not hesitate to yank a knot in their tails for them to understand the lesson even if means bruising their delicate self esteems telling them are wrong and that now they are grounded for life with no fun stuff to do . if that fails a one handed applause to the seat works wonders to gain the attention and get the point across. my 15 yr old learned it the hard way. she discovered quickly that as a parent i am only obligated to provide 3 hots and a cot so to speak. i yanked to the door from her room and everything else except for her clothes and a mattress on the floor. needless to say she was angry but she learned the lesson and busted her fanny to gain back my trust and respect.
I don't condone that but that doesn't really matter. What matters is who is speaking to children and how are they doing it? I am sure she scared quite a few this day.
Well that may as well be a signed confession that she treats everyone like children! LOL
DeleteShe can be whatever kind of parent she wishes to be, but I'M NOT HER CHILD. I'm a ADULT and a paying member and expect to be treated as such. She can leave my door right where it is and take some customer service classes!
Unbelievable!
Actually, I think spanking your child is against the law these days. It's interesting she has openly confessed to doing so.
DeleteI've got more to say then this but I wanted to throw this in just for the fun of it...
DeleteWOW did you EVER take that "Quote" out of context!! Not only was she talking to another adult they were talking about their childhoods!!
http://www.foopets.com/topics/show/2143055?forum_id=28&page=2
Not only did you make it look as bad as possible, the admins at the time felt there was NOTHING wrong with it...*smiles* Neither do the current ones...
Unbelievable...and I'm sure EVERY "quote" you guys have are more of the same...
wow we need to screenshot all of this and keep it for record. this comment section has quickly become a bashing and silencing session by all of shorti's friends. you guys simply can't stand an opposing viewpoint and have no love for any freedom of speech unless it's yours. all this you're all pulling here and now in this comment section is a grand example of why foopets went down the toilet. but keep trolling it will not stop the truth and reality that shorti is a big negative to fooland for many people and this all just further proves it in spades.
ReplyDeleteFrom one Anon to another - well said. Signed Anon #72 or is it 73? I find it so funny that they think they know who we are. There are so many of us. Silent these long months. Makes me wonder if shorti (or someone )does not have a hit list. Hmm that would explain why they think they know us. But they do not at all. Many of us have not had any contact directly with her or any of them because of how we have seen our friends or even innocent strangers treated. But when the time comes we will speak out and use our names. The numbers will speak for themselves, when it is safe.
DeleteSorry that you took it that way Anon #1. Once again, missing the point. Some of you mudsling and trashtalk. All I was trying to say was that it was inappropriate and that you could bring about a petition without it. I wasn't trolling at all. I was dearly hoping that some or even one of you would see my point and hopefully it might make a positive change. I was being optimistic. Apparently far TOO optimistic.
DeleteAs for freedom of speech, our speech is the one threatened to be screen shotted. So now, should we feel afraid to post here? As you are so afraid to post on the Foo forums? Simply because we feel differently from you we should now fear that our posts will be used against us. Bravo. You have become that which you claim to despise.
As usual the humor of the statement went right over your head. Anything posted on the internet is fair game to be screen shot. You should know that. It has nothing to do with your being threatened or harassed. It is a form of protection afforded to anyone. It is evidence of wrongdoing or for keeping records or for preparing long tombs of endless twaddle. And it can be perverted and used against someone if that is their desire as well. How it is used is entirely up to the person who copies it. Why do you think there are endless warnings about what you post being forever. And the constant sexting cases on Facebook. Where have you been?
DeleteYour speech has never been denied you here. Not one word of the endless excuses and your version of the truth has been deleted or changed. You have no idea what freedom of speech is all about. It means that everyone gets to speak their mind Not just you and not just the few who agree with you. And you have t take what they say and either answer with an intelligent answer, expose yourself to be ignorant of the facts or leave the discussion and come back when you have new responses or thoughts.
If you think this is bad you are living in a dream world. I have seen blogs where verbal names and insults and BS are flying so fast and furious no sane person could get a word in edgewise. And you are complaining about this? Sounds a bit me, me, me. Or at least us, us, us,. You have a lot of growing up to do. The lot of you.
I will reply to this one. Because I feel it is important. I have seen those blogs as well. But as quoted earlier, Canaan makes claims that you all behave well on this blog, as ladies and gentlemen. That there is no need for censorship because the lot of you are so civilized. That is not at all what I have observed. I came here once and had a good time. I felt I could come back today and express an opinion. I was proven wrong. As soon as I expressed my opinion that Shorti was a good Ambassador and that there were better ways to express your distaste, I was fallen upon with angry words and a condescending attitude. I didn't come here to start an argument. I posted that at the end of my original very long post. I came here because I had hoped to make some here think about the words they were using and the things they were saying. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you have to use it. It doesn't mean you have to use that freedom as a hammer to bludgeon someone to death with your words. And maybe I am living in a dream world, but at least my dreams are positive ones. Ones where people aren't trounced for expressing a different view of things. All I asked was that some people look at things from a different angle. And I was attacked. Called desperate, an abuser, accused of trolling. Accused of "hiding" by someone named "Anonymous" which I just have to LOL. And finally accused of spreading hate. When my original message was not hate filled at all, it was to stop spewing hate. To continue your petition if you must but to do it in a civilized manner. To rise above.
DeleteSo I think you have it backwards. I think that the lot of you that continue this behavior of attack, of slander, of poor manners in general, you are the ones that have some growing up to do. If you can't find an intelligent way to tell someone that you find someone incapable of leading beyond slinging childish insults, then my maturity should not be in question here.
And now I am sorry, for those of you who didn't want to see me post again, I do apologize.
i am sincerely sorry i was busy elsewhere and missed all of this taking place...i am embarrassed on behalf of the Foop if people were rude to you, or each other, but that is the price of freedom of expression - it is a two-edged sword. this is NOT, however, intended as a free playpen for those in Forum-withdrawal. manners should still prevail.
Deletethe "petition" everyone seems so hot about was made private so that people are more comfortable using their real names and contact info. i will post a link to it with the Comment section blocked, as it is the petition that interests people, not the signatories, correct? no one has any need for a list of names on either side, or shouldn't.
times on Foo may have changed, but judging by this it doesn't look like the Forums are going to. oh, well. at least once they reopen i won't have people arguing here just because there's no other place to play.
Dearest Azkani, I certainly applaud your dedication to posting and posting and posting and posting...I hope it was therapeutic for you.
ReplyDeleteAs I said Meowz, it was one post. It wouldn't let me post it as one post. And yet once again, thank you all for making me feel welcomed here for having a different opinion.
DeleteScreen shot this for your scrapbook and then you can bid me farewell which I am sure will be cause for celebration.
ReplyDeleteShorti is an A+ Ambassador in my book and will forever have my support. More than that, she is an A+ friend. Shorti, Joshua, Kaylina, Kizzee, and Wyntarra are loyal, generous, compassionate, caring, and have class. Which is more than I can say for some people.
I came to this thread originally very mad and wanting to vent and just yell at people. I tempered that and decided to try and see if I could maybe turn things around, make some of you see that your actions were just as wrong as some of the actions you claim you've been a victim to. I thought I could make a difference in the tone of this, I was naive to think so. I'm sorry that I wasted my time trying. Becoming a bully is not the answer to your problems, but again, you'll not see that.
Thank you for your loyal, generous, compassionate, caring, and having class presence.
DeleteBecoming a bully....that's so strange, because not one person is allowed to stand up to themselves against shorti, lest she suspend/ban them. But of course, we are all in the wrong, right? We all clearly deserve to be treated like garbage from someone so special as Shorti.
DeleteOh the irony. "we have seen the enemy and he is us" LOL I cannot stand it. It is all so melodramatic and special. These people have no idea what a bully even is. And they never will. They hide behind their curtain of the internet and spew self righteous excuses for what they do and then turn victim at the first sign of any resistance or exposure. What a sad bunch of people. Just sad.
DeleteYes, Shorti, you are a bully, and with the looks of it, your reign of terror is coming to an end. Here's hoping that the new owners will rid the site of you and your fellow cockroaches.
Delete"These people have no idea what a bully even is. And they never will. They hide behind their curtain of the internet and spew self righteous excuses for what they do and then turn victim at the first sign of any resistance or exposure. What a sad bunch of people. Just sad." ~ I never remember turning on any victim button, in fact I stand to the words I posted to all of you, and funny enough I would say them to your face if I could see them, I am not one thing here and one other in real life, I am the exact same.
Delete"Here's hoping that the new owners will rid the site of you and your fellow cockroaches." ~ Already told you Shorti is not going anywhere, and those who are her friends and want to defend her are cockroaches? Eh, I have worst words for what I would call you, but maybe this time I shall just bite my tongue...before I get told I am soul-less again (Oh I am still laughing at that!)
How do you know, Kizzee? Are you one of the new owners? Because I'm thinking it is their business who they let run their property.
DeleteI am hoping, like any good new owners, they are sitting back and watching for themselves what is going on. I am sure more than a few of us could provide them with screenshots of past behavior of some of these ambassadors that would shock them significantly.
But, no, Kizzee, defending your friend doesn't make you a cockroach. That is not what I meant at all. The cockroaches are all those in Shorti's posse who follow her directives with no thought whether what she is asking them to do is just or moral. This is the way Shorti operates and she demands blind allegiance and subservience. It is how she operated before she became an ambassador, and it is a characteristic that stayed with her when she was given a little power as an ambassador. Unfortunately, she abused that power on numerous occasions and that badly needs to come to an end.
Maybe she can then find a 10 step program to help her with her power withdrawal pangs.
I myself spoke to support the first day I saw this, which is also the first day I posted here, and guess what, they made no suggestion of removing Shorti, in fact seemed happy that people wanted her to stay. You would think if the new owners were wanting to fire her, they would have done so by now since they very much know all about this thread, the fact she still stands where she is shows your not getting your little mission done, so I would quit now and save your time.
DeleteAnd if I am not being called a cockroach because I defend my friend, why am I being labelled as one?
"Shorti, Joshua, Kaylina, Kizzee, and Wyntarra are loyal, generous, compassionate, caring, and have class. "
ReplyDeleteWhaaaat?! Do you even know who your talking about?
Actually dear, yes, yes we DO know who we are talking about. We are not only friends on Foo but also on Facebook and Skype and we all have each others personal contact information as well. We are FRIENDS. Not minions or lackeys or cockroaches or blind sheep or whatever else you think that we are.
DeleteI'm glad to see that the s$%& from Foo pets is brought over here too. Is there any place you people can't just leave alone? Go spread your happy little hatred back on Foo, you've destroyed it for so many people, just be glad about that, alright? Fawn over Shorti there, I know she loves her ego stroked by you sheep, and you sheep love doing so.
ReplyDeleteAnd we are told we need to get a life? Or does our life require that we stand over on your side of the field?
Ugh.....what a disgusting display of "loyalty".
No, I told you all to get a life as clearly if you have time to go running after someone in hopes (failing hopes) of getting her to lose her job, then your wasting a so much time when you could actually, I don't know, be doing something better?...
DeleteI don't care if you dislike Shorti, as I won't agree with you, from the start my point has always been about the fact I put my opinion of Shorti (knowing you would not agree) and I also put that you are wasting time, maybe not in the nicest of words or manner, but that's what I did. If you can post why you want her gone, we can counter it for this is a free place to speak?...So take what you all dish out for once.
you are more than welcome to post from any viewpoint you wish, and have the right to expect a respectful answer...as does everyone else posting here. and the issue is not and was never how anyone feels about shorti personally. there appears to be a widespread belief that there was abuse of power. if it is untrue or cannot be demonstrated adequately, you and she have nothing to worry about. if it CAN be documented, while some may feel vindicated in the long run it won't make much difference. the petition is not ABOUT reprimanding shorti, but about making sure that this sort of situation is never allowed to occur in the first place.
Deletegood grief. i am going to have to sift through this mess when i have better eyesight than i do at the moment, it looks like it exploded...and no, Kaylina, i am sorry, i had not rolled back far enough to see your post from the night before when i responded to Kizzee this morning. (contrary to popular opinion, i am not welded to or validated by this blog, i run it as a public service, one of several)
ReplyDeletethe petition, at least - what people do on their own is their business - simply calls for clear guidelines for posters and mods alike to be designed, stickied, and enforced, evenhandedly. if that makes anyone feel threatened, then perhaps the accusations are closer to the bone than you realise...
so much for civilized behavior, it seems - what little i saw in passing belongs more to the playground than the podium. at one time, i said this was turning into the Forums, as a joke...it's no longer amusing. if this is what Forums produce, no wonder i go there so seldom - the surprise is that ANYONE does. perhaps if they were open this would be a calmer place, i seem to be inheriting all those in withdrawal.
Foo is changing, and all indications are that it is becoming something better. be nice if past slights and offenses generated under and by the old regime could be let go in the light of a new day...Kay, if you have followed the Foop, it must have been rather erratically, but that is entirely your perogative. i do not now and have never had anything to hide or be ashamed of, here or onsite, whether it gained me praise or opprobium. (and i have two emails for you, actually, as you do for me - as a private person as well, i avoid abusing them. since the pay-to-play commenced, i am rarely at the one where we corresponded most frequently - if i have missed communication from you, i apologise)
Anonymous posters (those without google accounts, or who choose not to use them, are automatically put up as Anonymous - it's not a fashion statement, or a political choice), do a poor weary editor a kindness and sign your posts as something? anything will do, i'd just like to have my eyes uncrossed just a little. never seen so many people so upset at theraputic venting (that COULD have taken place a lot more publicly)...by the way, i'll credit that shorti did/does not have the wherewithall to delete FB posts and block someone from posting there, but in that case, who did? the new people had no password or access to FooFaceBook at the time it occurred.
ReplyDeleteSorry Canaan I cannot resist posting...
ReplyDeleteAZ I have a few issues with your points.
1. We were all chatting in the normal slow fooscooper manner until a few of you came flooding in full of drama and righteous indignation. Up to that point, the worst there was here was a rolling of eyes at the FB and foo forum antics. The small snippets that you dug out of longer comments use words that you do not like. They are not a measure of hate or attack, they are simply people stating points without feeling the need to pussy-foot around and look for fancy alternative words. You say that you are not being abusive, simply trying to open eyes, and yet you yourself make use of statements that contain aggressive elements.
1a. "Perhaps, if you kept it in that scope, Martin and others would see it in the way you seem to." Dear AZ, we did keep it in that scope until four people filled with pointless indignation came flooding in with horrified wailings.
1b. "Do you have an accurate perception of every time she has done something you have disagreed with, WHY Shorti did it? Have you ever asked?" Yes indeed. Oh yes, I have.
1c. "I talked to Shorti, and she asked me not to post." Well, this is the first time in a very long period that I have felt like saying "good for Shorti". Maybe there is hope for her yet, but I still feel that she needs a cooling-off period.
2. "Friends who have her back". I have to laugh a little here. It is interesting that you are so vigorous in defence of your current friends.
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Since your post seems to be one of the most levelheaded responses, I reply here:
Delete1. I felt that the snippets I "dug out" presented a picture overall of general over the top behavior that didn't need to be present. But it's not as though I had to look hard, they were present in almost every post. It's just that if I had posted every post and highlighted what I felt was wrong, my post would have been even longer than what it was. If my statement contained aggressive elements, it was not meant to. As I said, I came here wanting to yell, but decided to try a different approach. Apparently some of my anger seeped through anyhow. I feel my friend is being railroaded. But I do apologize if my message didn't come out the way I meant it to. It was supposed to be looking to more positive methods, not being aggressive.
1a. I have a suggestion for this. I will post it after.
1b. Have you gone to talk to her as a real person? After you calmed down? What did you find?
1c. You may feel that, but others don't. Even some who aren't strictly her friends may view her as a good Ambassador. So whose opinion should count? Not said aggressively. An honest question.
2. Why? You do not defend your friends so vigorously? I always have. If someone attacks (what I feel is an attack, let me qualify that point) my friend, I defend. Pretty simple. I thought most people did that.
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except (at least as far as i am concerned) the issue is not with shorti as a person but with the level of her professionalism. the answer i saw to that was to seek to have created and publicly listed guidelines for not only members but ambassadors as well, so that never again can power be abused BY EITHER SIDE. you feel that no one has a substantiated claim against shorti. well and good - then she (and you) have no worries. other people feel they have legitimate and documented grievances. NEITHER of these required a pitched battle between factions. this is a locus for open discussion, much as you and Carrie are conducting. those who want to shout, bluster, and stamp their feet, please refer to the Rant blog we provide under Missing Links.
Delete3. Shorti is very free with information on her personal life, how she treats her children, and how she feels that children should be treated. That is something that is definitely relevant to someone who has power over others. Whether she really has such powers in foo or not, she threatens and can really upset sensitive people who believe her.
ReplyDelete4. Whatever caused Shorti to rant about the flagging, as an ambassador she should not have lost her temper in public like that. It is not a mark of a good moderator, and she could perhaps do with the cooling-off period that she likes to offer others.
5. There has been an implication that foo can in fact see who has flagged what. There has also been an implication, on this thread, that Foo can follow what we do whether at their site or not; we need to know now whether this is so, since it is not good to feel that there is a possibility of trojans or keyloggers relative to visiting foo.
6. I too was there for the entire "Oscar Cat" exchange on FB. She came in in obvious distress and was talked down to from the start. She became more anxious and was laughed at and belittled. At one point she tried to respond lightly to others, and some cheerfulness ensued -- until once again the thread was wrenched back by one of the particpants who apparently felt that she still needed a little slapping. She was hurt by that and responded; shortly after that she was deleted and banned. Shorti was the only person with apparent authority there at the time. Nobody from official Foo posted, and at that time they may not even have had the keys. If it was an Admin who deleted her posts and caused the event to appear skewed, then they did so silently, and that worries me because we have all been feeling that the new owners are so open and nice. If the owners banned her with no warning and no attempt to intervene, then that is bad and I do not wish to continue with such authoritarians in charge. If shorti or one of the ambassadors did so, then it is not so bad because we can try to get the new owners to reduce the powers of the ambassadors.
7. Ambassadors answer to higher powers. Yes, but it has been made clear over the past year that those higher powers preferred the ambassadors to do their work for them. it may be that the "a"s have greater powers now than they had in Kaylina's time, but certainly threads were often locked immediately after a message from an "a" saying that they were locking it. If you would just sit back a little and look, you will see that the infamous petition is simply one that asks for the powers of ambassadors to be moderated, and for there to be a valid "appeal court" which will actually listen to the customers' concerns.
3. That post that whoever dug up about her children was from before she was an Fa I believe. I don't believe those comments should be admissible because of course she would speak more freely before she took the position. I won't discuss a post when I can't see the date or the entire conversation and context. I don't feel it's fair to dig up bones from the graveyard of Foo.
ReplyDelete4. I didn't view it as such. Not a rant. I viewed it as her taking a stand against the bullies and letting them know that they were no longer allowed to flag people to high heaven when they were in a spiteful mood. I had been hoping for someone to speak up for awhile.
5. Not sure where you heard that, but I have been told they can't. So have others. I had a person "stalking" me, flagging all my posts. Eventually I asked if something could be done. (Surprise, surprise, I didn't ask Shorti) I just wanted someone to talk to them, ask whoever it was to lay off, I was told it was impossible as the flagging system was blind.
6. Well we are remembering it in 2 different ways. Oscar was laughing the entire time she was arguing. She admitted to boredom from no forums, so she had to come to FB to get her entertainment. There was no distress there. She argued about it later and played the victim card, but originally, SHE started the argument. I believe that Snacks at one point had access to FooFB. I am pretty sure he used to post the updates. Perhaps it was him? He is still an Admin to my knowledge.
7. I'm fine with your petition. I am not sure how many ways I can say that. I don't believe in trying to get a good Ambassador (from my view and others) fired, but that's your prerogative. What I have a problem with is the tone, the subject matter, and the overall glee that seems to be present with some, SOME, when knocking others down with malicious words. And if the petition is so innocent, why not post a copy here, without the names, so that all may see how harmless it truly is?
look above left - it's been there for a bit now. it wasn't gated because the contents were secret, but to prevent it from looking like the current Comment section - it's meant to make a point, not provide a sandbox for a series of mudfights. (neither is this place, actually...sigh) nor is it about getting ANYONE "fired", it's about setting and maintaining standards. if shorti is all you say, she will be at worst unaffected and at best ought to approve...if she is all the opposition says, she may still be dismayed. don't know myself, but in most cases reality is roughly midway between the two extremes of position.
DeleteCanaan - I looked. But I admit to being accused by many as being blind as a bat. Are you saying it's up at the very top of the blog on the left or what? I am interested to read it, but I didn't see it there. Again, most likely due to overlooking on my part.
Deletesorry, love, no, not you... "lyzdexics unite", it's top RIGHT, just below the AllPawsBulletin. i know it's bitty - i didn't choose the size, it's what the design setup handed me.
DeleteMy suggestion for 1a. If you care, not meant rudely, just I know some will not.
ReplyDeleteTake a few unbiased people. People who don't know Foopets, Shorti, or any of the people commenting on this blog. Ask them to read it without filling them in on ANY of the background information. Then ask for their honest opinions. Make sure it's not a friend who is going to blow sunshine your way to make you feel better. See if they agree that some comments are over the top or if they feel it's just a rant. Don't ask them leading questions. Simply say, hey, can you read this blog and give me your opinions on the subject matter posted. If they read it and ask what you mean, ask them how they feel about what is being discussed and the way it is being discussed from both sides. An unbiased opinion. That's my advice. You don't have to take it. They may view us as crazy, or they may see my point. But maybe they could give some insight. What could it hurt?
sounds good to me. especially if they read the entire newletter rather than this highly atypical deja-FooForum Comment section. as the Foop is a standalone they need not even have heard of FooPets before.
Deletein re above:
(3) i agree that the tale is old and the trail is cold, but unless it was in Sanctuary it was a bit over the top. tell it to Dear Abby, or a therapist...not strangers of indefinite age and background on a public Forum. had she seen something similar by another, post-a, i rather think she'd have deleted it.
(4) i seem to recall rather loud objections to people flagging her posts as "funny", but it's been a while...but if she agrees with us that the flagging system needs to go, haranguing members won't do it, it needs to be taken up with management. wish she had done so then - we'd have backed her 100%.
(5) oh, yes they CAN - and do - keep track of flagging : karma is awarded and/or deducted based on flags given and received. (we looked into this some time ago) so, (i assume) Admin told you they couldn't do anything? mmm. and you believed them?
(6) and going on FaceBook when bored is unusual, much less illegal? hm. and laughing is bad, too. hm. i'll buy that shorti lacks the power (if not the inclination) to delete posts and block members on FB, but in that case, who did? as the new management made a clear public announcement that they had been locked out of FooFaceBook (among other things) until well after this transpired?
(7) see above
*grin* good to see you back to your analytical form, Canaan.
Delete3) the trail may be old, but that was Shorti as Fa speaking her piece, which was what made it seem particularly horrible -- to me anyway, and presumably to the poster here.
5) oh that is a good point -- yes, we used to get karmic rewards or punishments from the flagging, and for sure the code for that will still be there, simply disabled. Rivet never did anything more than they absolutely felt they had to.
6) I do wonder who it was that had the power...
If the new owners want to turn the site around, they need to start with a clean slate. The ambassador position should be abolished for a time, until the memory of the reign-of-terror can dim. If, it is reestablished at some future time, I would sincerely hope that the new owners would one, making these be short-term rotating positions, instruct them as to what proper behavior on their part looks like, monitors their actions and provides an escalation process for customers to challenge the actions of the ambassadors.
ReplyDeleteAZ, thank you for a reasoned response. It is sad that your messages yesterday did not truly reflect what you were trying to do, but kudos to you for at least trying.
ReplyDelete1. I see. Thank you for letting us see how it looked to you. But you see, until Kaylina waded in here with what looked like an extremley skewed view of what was going on, we did not consider that there were any bullies. In my experience, bullies go out and attack their victims. Nobody had done that here, and if you look at the infamous petition, it is simply asking for a fairer system. The fact that some people here felt that Shorti needed to be controlled was not bullying.
1a. And this shows just how differently things look to people who come with preconceived ideas of what the posters on a forum are about. Before yesterday's blow-up, people who came to this forum without any prior knowledge of the folks or events on foo simply consider it to be a discussion of how things could move forward in the game under new ownership. How do I know this? I know because when acquaintances ask me what this "foopets" game is, I point them to various forums that they can see, and this is one of them. It is a shame that the foopets site itself is not available for viewing, as that would be a much better advertisement for itself.
1b. I have never had to "calm down" as I have never personally been upset or angered by Shorti. I view what I see, and I ask out of curiosity why something is done. I am not always impressed by the replies.
1c. Which is why people who object to her here have been told that their best bet is to contact foo support. I am sure you saw those messages.
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As I said, when I came yesterday, I was upset. I am still upset as some here are now throwing vicious insults at me. I admit, I used words like slander, abuse, bully, which, besides slander, were words which were used to describe Shorti herself. Which I then backed up with quotes from various posters. I am now accused of scamming and cheating which I don't much appreciate. I haven't sat here and accused anyone of anything so vile of what I am now standing accused of. I realize that it was not you and that people are free to express themselves here, but I wish that more would come at me with a rational response like you instead of with vicious lies with no basis in reality. It offends, it makes me want to fight back.
Delete1. To my knowledge, Kaylina was invited and was merely giving her point of view. If her point of view happened to be unwanted, then perhaps the invitation should not have been issued. That may sound rude, but it's not meant to be. IMO, bullying comes in all shapes and sizes, from my perspective anything that can be openly viewed by all and can hurt a person or is said with intent to harm can be viewed as bullying. That is my opinion. If I posted about a person on FB and a bunch of people jumped in and started talking about how awful they were and that person read it, they might feel bullied.
1a. I'm actually not sure what you mean by this. I can only say that I came here once recently and while my views didn't always coincide with those that posted, it was a far more pleasant experience than this one. Again, this is spoken out of honesty, not to offend.
1b. I wasn't meaning it to sound as though you may have been in a rage at the time. Only to say that if the situation were heated at first, things sometimes look different when both parties have had time to think things through later.
1c. Of course. I was merely wondering if you would be okay if, for example, an overall poll of the Foo community showed that Shorti was a wanted Ambassador. If that happened, and if your petition for her removal was turned down, would you be able to accept that other people don't share your views?
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2. Because you do not consider at whom you may be lashing out whilst "defending" your current friends. And no, I never blindly go in and defend my friends with vigour. I am not blinded by love to possible faults. If I believe that a friend is in the wrong, I say so. If I believe that she or he is in the right, I say so and I give reasons in both cases. It does nobody any good to get heated over any issue that can be resolved.
ReplyDelete3. No, she was definitely an Fa at that time. That's what made it so shocking.
5. Yes, I had seen some time ago furMamaJules very unwisely saying that nothing could be done about flaggers, and she had to get her post deleted in a hurry. We do know, however, that various things were changed under Rivet's time, and we do not know what tools they might have at their disposal since. And we do see ambassadors such as shorti stating things similar to "we know who you are" and making threatening statements.
6. I happen to know that Oscar was very distressed, regardless of what you think her posts showed. Since they have been deleted, others have no chance to look at the evidence. She is not a wicked person and she has been badly mis-represented by the deleting of her posts. If it was Snacks, then if he is part of the new ownership I am not impressed with this instance of "fairness", plus he did not have the nous or the courtesy to speak up.
7. well I am very glad that you are fine with it. And if you take the time to look, you will see the link to it. You seemed to think that it was all part of a bullying tactic aimed at your friend(s). As for posting it here, with names for all to see, I thought that some of the anonymouses had made it clear that they were not willing to be known by the ambassadors or certain members of foo, for fear of suffering from the same bullying tactics that were used before.
2. I did not consider my post to be lashing out. I really didn't want it to take that tone. I was really hoping that it would make some people just look at the wording they were using. If I went beyond that, it was definitely not my intention. And any lashing out after the original post (the continued OP that took a few posts) was done in defense when I felt I was being attacked by some of the people here. But really, my intentions originally were to hopefully show that not all of the subject matter was relevant or necessary and that while the petition was okay, some of the topics involved seemed wrong to me.
ReplyDelete3. Do you have the link to the thread? It's not possible for me to tamper with it and I would like to view it for myself, in it's proper context if I may. Because I don't believe that it was when she was an Fa, I would like to see it, I'm not calling you a liar, merely saying that I like to decide things for myself with the evidence in front of me.
4. What happened to four? lol
5. I believe that when Shorti said that, she meant that she was aware of who was flagging her. People make it quite obvious when they have a grudge against you. Some things don't take too much to figure out. Many have asked about who was flagging them though, and I do believe that in the ban-happy regime of Kate, that if flaggers could have been caught, that would have been utilized as another way to scare people into behaving.
6. I never said Oscar was wicked. I didn't mean to give that impression either. I seem to be expressing myself badly here. When she stopped being argumentative, she was quite pleasant. We all had some laughs, Shorti included, and she said good night. As I said, someone came back and posted a negative comment and she was back to argue more. She was very back and forth. I'm not saying it was Snacks, only that I believe he had access. So perhaps DrJane and others had access as well. And if you recall, besides posting updates, Snacks was never really one to post comment on FB. It doesn't make him a bad person. I'm sure if I looked back, my part in that argument is probably deleted as well.
7. As I posted to Canaan, I looked. My detective skills are obviously lacking, lol, because I didn't see it. And if you look at my last post, I believe I said to post the petition, *without* names. I know people want privacy on the matter. I am not asking to disrupt their privacy. I only wish to read the petition, not to know the identities of those who sign.
i am getting totally lost in the convolutions here - BlogSpot must have changed something, i do not remember all this "nesting" within posts in the thread before and do not have the eyesight to identify them by post time. those who can be civilized, on either side (or from any other direction that comes along) are invited to bring the discussion up to the current post, where things are both calmer and less cluttered. those who wish to call names, fling accusations/insults, and otherwise personalize the discussion are directed to the house Rant Blog under Missing Links.
Delete(6 - no, from what i saw, ONLY oscar was deleted, leaving a VERY differently colored discussion than with their posts in place. plus oscar was locked out of the page. as at that time the page was in the custody of whatever was left of Rivet, who knows what the active party was.)
again, the petition is upper RIGHT, with the other "fruit salad" items, second from the top below AllPawsBulletin. click highlighted link under the phrase that starts "the petition".
i'm pretty much done here and moving on - people can come upstairs, go to the rant blog, or continue here, as they please.
Aha! I found the petition. Thanks for the new set of directions. I will be reading it soon. I have a few prizes to hand out on a non Foo site. :)
ReplyDeletesometimes you just have to meow
ReplyDeleteI have tried very hard to stay out of this but when my name is mentioned I want to set the record straight.
ReplyDelete¨she went completely bonkers and accused perfectly innocent people of Grand Theft, handing out suspensions and accusations even to those who had simply bought very expensive pets from others. BBK got caught up in that, and I believe it took several weeks for her to get her accounts and pets back.¨
To be very clear, I have never been suspended, never had my pets taken away.
¨ I know you can sneer about the fact that we are anonymous but those of us who are older remember that there was a time in our history when it was not safe to speak out and you could lose your freedom for doing so.¨
I have been extremely blunt and outspoken on foo. Even though Kate clearly hated my guts I got a few warnings, always gave her my point of view on the matter and never minced my words. And yet I never got suspended. Don´t even try to say that was because shorti was protecting me because all this was back in the days before she became an ambassador.
No matter how you try to justify your anonymous attacks, I feel strongly that if you are going to voice an opinion, you should at least have the courage to own your opinions. Hiding behind anonymous to attack someone is just plain cowardice. But that´s just my opinion.
And ´sneering´ is the wrong verb as far as I´m concerned. I feel only contempt for cowards attacking others anonymously.
If you´re going to attack me about the fashion shows, let it be very clear that unlike some people here I have never promised any kind of gifts, FDs or other in exchange for votes. I mainly did the fashion shows when only 1 or 2 other people I wasn´t even friends with were in the shows. How is that cheating?
In any rule of law every accused has the right to face his/her accuser. So if you´re going to accuse me, at least have the courage to do so openly instead of hiding behind ´anonymous´.
Hi, BBK, I admire your dedication in searching for your acronym through this now-massive thread. I find that one of your quotes is from me. Well darn, of course I made a typo; I meant BK2 who, if you remember, went through a lot of pain on account of Kate's "take" on her expensive pets at the time of the Art Theft. Her accounts were banned, it took her a very long time to get the accounts back, and she lost a lot in the process. I still feed her pets and see them every day, which is why I remember so clearly.
DeleteApologies for the unintentional besmirching of your precious acronym; I should have typed out the full name and then I would have got it right. Usually on this forum things are more light-hearted, people say things like "did you really mean me?" then the original poster does a headdesk, says "oh drat, thanks for pointing out the typo", and we move on.
Oh, and I never post anonymously. Among those who do are some who were seriously bullied on foo and had that bullying followed up off foo by adults who should know better. I respect their fears and do not jeer at them.
Canaan, thank you for trying to get us good information. I feel you have always done a good job at keeping people updated about our favorite game. I really think things are looking up and am looking forward to this new chapter in Foo's history.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, guys and girls, will you stop? I came here about a half hour ago, to get the latest and this has really gotten out of hand. When I saw how many comments there were on this thread, I started reading, thinking this is really exciting. Then the further down I got, I just stopped. Some of us just want to come here and read the bulletins and comments that have a positive purpose. Let the dead dog go.
If you feel the need to call someone a name, feel free to call me a "coward" if it makes you feel better. I do not mind if it will keep you from calling someone else a name. I always post anonymously on public pages and do not plan to come back to this thread.
what i find cowardly is hiding behind a small "a" and throwing around control knowing no one can stop shorti's heavy hand in matters. after all she can hide behind that small "a" mask of in your face authority!
ReplyDeleteI wanted this not to get lost in the shuffle...cause I think it is important to be seen...THIS is how people are "Quoting" Shorti....so very deceptive....
ReplyDeleteAnonymousMar 20, 2012 01:57 PM
and this is my favorite shortie quoted (and believe it or not this is still up in the forums! oh my):
my mom swung a vicious paddle and was not afraid to use it to get her point across. for a long time i never thought about right or wrong…only is my mom going to bust my butt for this stupid stunt ? if my answer was probably, then i didn’t do it. now as an adult with kids of my own i know that it was a very simplified version of right and wrong but it worked well until i was old enough to gain the insight to that concept. am i that harsh with my kids ? no , but i will not hesitate to yank a knot in their tails for them to understand the lesson even if means bruising their delicate self esteems telling them are wrong and that now they are grounded for life with no fun stuff to do . if that fails a one handed applause to the seat works wonders to gain the attention and get the point across. my 15 yr old learned it the hard way. she discovered quickly that as a parent i am only obligated to provide 3 hots and a cot so to speak. i yanked to the door from her room and everything else except for her clothes and a mattress on the floor. needless to say she was angry but she learned the lesson and busted her fanny to gain back my trust and respect.
I don't condone that but that doesn't really matter. What matters is who is speaking to children and how are they doing it? I am sure she scared quite a few this day.
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AnonymousMar 20, 2012 09:33 PM
Well that may as well be a signed confession that she treats everyone like children! LOL
She can be whatever kind of parent she wishes to be, but I'M NOT HER CHILD. I'm a ADULT and a paying member and expect to be treated as such. She can leave my door right where it is and take some customer service classes!
Unbelievable!
AnonymousMar 20, 2012 10:02 PM
Actually, I think spanking your child is against the law these days. It's interesting she has openly confessed to doing so.
KaylinaMar 22, 2012 01:25 AM
I've got more to say then this but I wanted to throw this in just for the fun of it...
WOW did you EVER take that "Quote" out of context!! Not only was she talking to another adult they were talking about their childhoods!!
http://www.foopets.com/topics/show/2143055?forum_id=28&page=2
Not only did you make it look as bad as possible, the admins at the time felt there was NOTHING wrong with it...*smiles* Neither do the current ones...
Unbelievable...and I'm sure EVERY "quote" you guys have are more of the same...
Thank you Kaylina, for producing the origin of the quote. Now everyone can see, if they read that quote in context without stars in their eyes, that she is stating that this is how children are treated in her household and SHOULD be treated, in a thread which is actually discussing the Foo rules.
DeleteIndeed the admins at the time felt that there was nothing wrong with it; have we not already stated that the Admins in Rivet's day wanted the ambassadors to deal with all the messy customer interactions? All they were interested in was a board cleared of all complaints or upsets by the unpaid ambassadors, while they themselves concentrated on NOT fixing the code. Goodness knows what they were actually doing behind the scenes back then, but for sure it had nothing to do with foopets code, because the new owners have said that it has not been touched for over a year.
Thank you for telling us that those of us who are hoping for a new dawn with these new Admins can kiss that dawn goodbye. If they can look at such a discussion, with an ambassador of the time stating that she sees nothing wrong with such treatment of children, and say "that is fine" then they are not the kind of caring people that we looked forward to meeting.
Kaylina, it is interesting that you read the same exact whole thread as I do, and yet come up with a different view of what is going on there.