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i am a seven-year-old virtual Cream Persian FooCat (born on Little Christmas, 1/5/10), the mascot and spokesfurson for FooBA4U, the FooPets members' cooperative service site.

20120522

Quoth the Ravin'...

In a distressing short length of time, FooPets has gone from a new sense of hope and progress to being once more a place of fear, suspicion, and restriction. We were told by our new/old team that they valued us as members, welcomed our input, and were not intimidated by criticism, as it provided useful input into what might need to be done to improve the site and insure its place as a treasured and enjoyable place to be online.

This frightening reversal was brought about by a relatively small number of members exploiting code-repair glitches that allowed them to acquire item and tender assets in disproportionate quantities, putting honest players at a disadvantage (if they value such things - I personally do not, but obviously others do) and further damaging an already shaky site economy. The lion's share of the damage was done via the Gifting glitch, which the management team, in the form of Traci, our Community Manager,  responded to by suspending/banning what I believe was originally a total of 28 people. The staff being as limited in time and numbers as they are, it was almost inevitable that some sheep get swept up with the goats, and that there would be grey areas of culpability.

Subsequently, members who felt they were included in the roundup in error - and I have little doubt that those who were indeed guilty did so as well - approached Support to restore their accounts (and assets and good names). For whatever reasons, the situation began to escalate out of control. Threats, abuse, and vituperation proliferated on both sides of the conflict, and it has now reached the point where those who were declared innocent of deliberate wrongdoing, after doing their best to comply with all conditions and requests made by  Support, are being penalised again for the crime of returning. For unknown reasons, a gag order was imposed on them forbidding them to admit their accounts were restored - an odd measure, as their return was sure to be noticed, and their innocence clearly implied thereby - and apparently now members totally uninvolved in the glitch pogrom are being suspended for simply welcoming friends back.

Additionally, any and all criticism of the site, anywhere, seems to be once more grounds for suspension as well. Criticism is NOT "bashing". It is as valid, and often more useful and constructive, as praise. While I and all sensible people deplore insults and namecalling, pointing out an obvious problem and asking that it be addressed is not destructive - far from it. Sweeping an issue under the rug by forbidding discussion does nothing to solve it. Nor does it prevent word from spreading. You do not heal a wound by sealing in the poison : you open it, and thereby heal it.

At this point, there is a horrendous amount of resentment and hurt feelings on BOTH sides. Traci has only been on Foo since the middle of February and "active" as Manager for a little more than a month. She had almost no time to get to know the site and community before this bomb went off, nor they her, which may well be contributing to the way she is handling this ugly situation. It is time for all parties involved to step back, take a deep breath, and reapproach this in a fresh, cooperative state of mind.

There is no sin in making a mistake - only in refusing to admit it. A person who apologises for an error and makes it good as best they can is respected. One who rants and lashes out to defend a wrong action even after it is recanted will never be seen as a responsible community member or leader. We have what should have been a minor problem getting rapidly out of hand and threatening to tear FooPets apart as more and more people get involved and choose up sides. THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE. We are all FooPets! The New Foo Crew is understaffed, overworked, and overstressed even without this additional headache, and the surviving members are already shellshocked and sensitive from a long, hard road. Those of us still here after all the site has gone through are here for love - and we were told that Ron, Scott, and Eugene feel the same way. Let's find a way to fix this...together.
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(NOTE : it is requested that any comments here be posted under a name - ANY name - please use the name/url posting mode, with a name and url of your choice. this will allow you to protect your identity if you feel the at-the-moment-understandable need to, but still post as a distinct individual. Also, I have faith that everyone responding will comport themselves as ladies and gentlemen, making reasoned - and hopefully brief and pertinent, lol - points without resorting to personal attacks or hurtful language. Thank you!)

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  1. Bravo, Gold Rush, bravo. I really do hope that this situation can be fixed and all those hurt feelings smoothed somehow. I think we all love you for your continued staunch support both of fellow players and of the site.

    And I do hope that people will agree to at least use some kind of pseudonyms. It does get very old trying to follow the anonymouses.

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  2. thank you...i will NEVER give up on Foo. i forwarded this link to (what i believe is) Scott's, and Ron's, emails - depending on how things develop, i may also either send it to Traci or copy it to ChitChat or both.

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  3. I am hoping for a better situation. A friend of mine has dealt with support and was treated like she's semi senile already. I feel deceived. And so disappointed. I have closed my accounts but 2, was on the verge of deleting all of them. If I had known what road was ahead I would have never sign up! You guys are giving a little hope , without this blog my legacies would be in paradise already so thank you for what you are doing. Another friend was so afraid of being accused of cheating because she created a new account after reaching the pet limit on one that on her profile she plea to not receive nasty messages and that the purpose of the account is not for cheating! Seriously ! I am so angry when I see stuff like that.

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  4. i had a similar concern when i started here in 2009 - i was assured by an ambassador that as long as the profile was not established just to get (and then sell) a "free" expensive pet there was no problem. as far as i know, multiple accounts have never been proscribed : as they now must be individually paid for i would think they welcome them. please reassure your friend and let them know they can come here, or message me on Foo at FooBA4U, if they have questions or need help.

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    1. I will let her know :). The odd part is that she's been a member since the end of 08, which shows how some users are uncomfortable anymore. I have been bitting my cheecks, in 2010, in 2011 and now. We aren't even sure if gifting an item from an account to another would be considered cheating. A warning would have been the right move, in scarlet letters, about the glitches, cheating, etc....

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  5. whats the issue with posting here tried all day they keep getting removed (godoftruth)

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    1. not sure what is happening - i have been away from the computer and they all show up in my email, though only one "shows" a written post...i can copy and transfer it from my email if you like. if you are using the Foop/Comment for a url, that may be the problem, i'm not sure if more than one can use the same url (not all that clear on exactly how it works, comp dino)

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  6. hoping this forum will be welcomed by the powers at be, and that they will be open and honest when doing so.

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  7. The only way this can be fixed for me is if I get an apology from Traci. Not just oh I'm sorry but one saying that she was wrong and she made a mistake. I can tell you right now that's not going to happen... I have to send a ticket into support and right now I'm dreading to send a ticket in cause I'm so scared!

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  8. I just tried to buy some pets from a friend who is closing her account Foo is down and no word on Twitter or Facebook. Is this it?

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    1. not sure what you're asking me...hang on, let me see if the site comes up.

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    2. site is coming up for me...what browser are you on? i am using Firefox.

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  9. I applaud your efforts Gold Rush. This time for many of us has been just depressing and frightening. Depressing to see some of our friends gone for trading pets with the system Foo has set for us, and frightening because a lot of us are scared to do anything at all on the site. Trade, gift, speak respectful opinions. It is disheartening after the return of Dr. Ron set our hopes up that the site might return to it's former fun place to be.

    I would caution against posting this in Foo though. I am one who has learned the hard way that Foo (specifically Traci right now) does NOT like the inference that any that have been suspended/banned are anything but guilty.

    I would like to share my SS's with you, but I am wondering if you plan to use them or any related names when addressing Ron or anyone else? I don't wish to lose my account. Foopets is very dear to me, my pets, my friends. I wouldn't know what to do at this point if I didn't have it.

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    1. no, i would just be using them as a reference so i know that what i am saying here (and elsewhere if necessary) is accurate - the information will remain completely private, i will not be sharing or copying screenshots, or using any names or direct quotes.

      as far as bringing the main post to the site, that's a fallback position if i cannot bring at least one of the movers and shakers into a dialogue SOMEWHERE : it doesn't need to be here, we can set up neutral ground off-site as we did with Scott to discuss the post-Beta issues way back when (when we at his suggestion set up the short-lived but still-hopeful Members' Review Committee), have it on Foo as Kate did her version of the Beta discussion, or anything else they feel comfortable with...though i did my level best to be evenhanded and do not feel that i am showing the site or staff in a derogatory light (being human is NOT a crime, or an insult). nor is it any secret that the level of culpability in those picked up in the sweep varies - as i said, it would be truly remarkable if it DIDN'T.

      i think i saw somewhere in this newfangled blogging format (STILL like the old one better, lol) that i can create surveys...if so, i intend to poll people to see what they think SHOULD be done about glitch exploitation. glitches WILL happen - they do everywhere - but if we can come up with a system to handle offenders that all can agree on (or at least a significant majority) BEFORE the problem(s) occur, this sort of mess never need take place ever again.

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  10. I had entirely to many typos and words left out so I deleted my first comment. Try, try again.

    I am so sad to hear the hurt and fear expressed in so many comments here. It is amazing how such a wonderful game could be used to hurt so many people. The one constant in all this is the love we all have for our pets. Hopefully "the powers that be" will realize the damage that is being done and change their direction. My prayers are with all those who have been hurt by all this.

    Gold Rush, I applaud you for always trying to balance the issues and return calm and common sense. You are truly appreciated for keeping us informed and in never giving up. You are a treasure!

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    1. thank you (blush, scuff feet) - will remove your previous deleted if that's okay, for space and neatness...have figured out and installed poll, results ought to be informative...

      i really like it SO much better when i can throw fun events and praise members and staff alike - being a comic is MUCH more fun than being a critic, of anyone.

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  11. Don't know if this means anything, but I was collecting some SS's of some of my Support tickets and I just realized that Traci has taken her picture out of Support. Her responses show up as grey boxes with a profile of a person in them, same as mine.

    I am wondering if this was the same for everyone and if so if anyone knows when it happened. I am curious because she may have removed her picture after reading all her info posted on the blog so we couldn't compare her to her other websites. Just curious....

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    1. Yes I also noticed this when I was going through my tickets on Sunday... Mmm I wonder why her picture got taken off... Maybe she is done in support who knows!

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    2. as she can as easily be tracked by name, pulling the photo wouldn't do much to prevent that (though it can be useful to find people under pseudonyms...right, Scott, lol?) - though the Support question is interesting, Islen, we ought to keep an eye on developments there.

      it's also possible she's just changing it, though, or trying to make Support more "official" by minimizing personalization.

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    3. I notice her profile picture was gone on Sunday but it could have been gone earlier. I doubt she would be changing it becuase usually when you change your profile picture you upload it right away. But who knows I don't really care anymore. I will be canceling my account On June 6th. All of this mess has just gone way to far and I can't take it anymore. If you want I can explain why I'm leaving but I don't want to get in trouble....

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    4. as Ron himself gave the Foop his seal of approval, i don't see how you could, but it's up to you...maybe i'll set up an "I can't take it anymore because" satellite blog (like some of the others in the sidebar) and make it a subscription-style system...but again, PLEASE don't delete, leave it dormant and set me or someone else up as a caregiver...you never know, and you can check in here to see if a miracle happened.

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    5. I would never delete my account. I just want to cancel (freeze) my account... But I learned for some reason because I have a 6 month membership and I can't cancel it and it frustrates me. I've endured enough pain from Traci that I don't want to be around unless she becomes "nicer" and less harsh I'll consider activating my account again. Please do not get me to stay and wait it out because I can't. I know we must be strong to win this but right now I'm weak and Im not ready to fight, I've tried and I failed!

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    6. (pets and comforts) no, i'm not asking ANYONE to stick their neck out but me...and if we get anywhere i will trumpet it from the rooftops, you won't have to be on Foo to hear me.

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    7. I kind of feel bad now becuase I basically just saying Traci "won", becuase of me leaving.... I mean I tried hard to put up a fight but I kept getting put down in support. /sigh/ I wish we could just all be happy on Foo....

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    8. It's okay Islen, after seeing what some of the other players have gone through and knowing what you yourself went through, it is only natural to give yourself time to heal. If you stay, I know how badly you'd want to confront Traci and at this time, that is probably not wise. We understand what you're going through though. Hugs.

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  12. As I was preparing an account for arking I noticed a very strange thing. There are open accounts that the owners are just MIA. People have just abandoned them. The pets are starving. These are adults. Old friends that have been here a long time. I am so upset. It is like a battle field strewn with the bodies of beloved pets left to languish in the wake of this latest disaster. In a few days I will not be able to feed them and they will be left alone in the dark like so many others. Is is heartbreaking.

    I have used all the funds I can to try to save as many accounts as I can. Go ahead and ban me Foo. Yes I took over accounts and saved FooPets. But no more. You have taken all I have to give and now I am arking those accounts and slowly watching the healthy green bars go to red and then to nothing. I hate this I really do. And I still think it is all being orchestrated for some demented or sick reason. Foo is toxic, There is no other explanation for it. And I am sick with the fever of Foopets. What kind of sick mind would do this? No sane person or business would think that this kind of behavior or treatment of it's most stalwart customer base would be profitable. I am angry and frustrated and still in love with those pets they are holding hostage. I have never hated a business more. I do not hate. And that makes me angrier than anything. That these people have managed to bring out the worst in so many people.

    Karma is going to be a B in Fooville. I almost pity those folks. They are in for some nasty stuff. But I have to say they brought it on themselves. I would much prefer to have them succeed and have access to our babies and have a happy healthy Foo. But if this is the way it must be they deserve everything they are going to get. And then some. For all the tears and pain and sorrow and lost innocence and real dollars stolen may they burn.

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  13. Apparently the catching of the "cheaters" has done nothing to help fix the FooEconomy. They made claims that things would go back to normal because all the people with the funds had been removed. Lie.

    What did pets cost before? Not this much.

    http://www.foopets.com/topics/show/2324202?forum_id=33&page=1#posts-56060959

    And MLPH sold for 10,000fds only 10 days ago. That is at least double the price they used to go for. And if you look in breeding, it is still going on. You still see huge offers that many people didn't have before the glitch. So yea, they punished the wrong people. Go Foo! Sarcasm.

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  14. I dont know if this means anything, but, up until today, all my messages have been sent into support by replying to one of the tickets I had, and ive had absolutely no answer at all. Well, today, i decided to send another message , and I actually got an email saying I had sent a ticket to support, and it will be reviewed, (automated response type thing) and that this is a follow up to a previous request. (prays to the foo gods Traci has got the boot, and my tickets are no longer being ignored, , , one can dream right?)
    Anyway, none of my others have did this. Seems strange to me. Islen, u are where I ws a few days ago. And probably still am. I feel just so sad. im an adult user, and ive logged into this site every day since I left my job, about three years ago. Its been more than my awesome pets, its been the freindships, my shoulder, and my rock. When im stuck at home due to my constant illness, foopets has been there with me, and saw me thru that. Now, as strange as it may sound, I feel empty. "my old friend" has been whipped away from me, and all because I sold a pet. And then, because I fought hard, and challenged the professionalism of this one person, showing they made a mistake, and that I WAS THE ONE, who should be compensated accordingly (i.e. bonding badge returned, an apology etc). I am hoping the dissaperance of the photo may mean that she has also disappeared. And finally justice will have been done.

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    1. What photo? I can't find any profile that might belong to her. I'm just curious...

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    2. at one point she had a RL photo up as her Support persona, that is the one removed - on foo she is MissJoeyLee (no idea why, or who that represents) at http://www.foopets.com/member/25151195.

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  15. I honestly don't know what to think anymore of all this I am just so confused!

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  16. mmm...after a certain length of time, or if the ticket is closed by the site, reposting on it reopens it - i went through this constantly when they shut down not only the "offending" account but all three referenced in my well-intentioned but depressingly short-lived OperationLifeBoat project to provide a shared log-on for those locked away from their pets last April 26th.

    still, with the ticket reopened they have to make SOME kind of response, it will be interesting to see what...and from whom.

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  17. (HOO-ha! using the browser bar url from here DOES work - though you have to keep recopying it as it updates with each comment.)

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  18. well, all my tickets i know submit, are being closed and deemed solved, and she is not answering me at all. how can this be allowed to go on? shes not fit to run a tap never mind a site like foo. i have given proof, i just dont know what else to do, and she is now just refusing to deal with me.

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    1. only thing i can recommend is to keep reopening them by messaging again and again - sooner or later they will have to at least respond by telling you to knock it off (which is what happened to me with Lifeboat, after about a month of wrangling back and forth). keeping the pressure on will let them know that we will NOT just give up and go away.

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  19. This is a piece of nonsense,Ron better pull the finger out. It has gone far enough and if something has not been done by this time next week it will get to a further phase of ugly.

    The end is nigh and it comes in the size and shape of Traci, get her out now!!!!

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  20. a little bird suggested that FooPets may be getting sold (again)...which would make the revived restriction on Forum and PM posts critical of the site make a little more sense : as those already onsite are aware of the present situation and unlikely to be "upset" by references to it. anyone hearing or finding anything, please contact me privately - thanks!

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    1. OMGosh! Again?!? Do we have any idea why? Please share as much as you can as soon as you can, Gold Rush!!

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    2. this whole thing from foo just shows that truth is stranger than fiction! who could thought up all the many crazy things that have happened with this little ole website over the years up till now and sadly it never seems to get better and yet it still lingers on in insanity. will their ever be a Normal fooland again?

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    3. bulletin just in - no, the site is NOT changing hands again, there was a confusion in dates that caused the illusion that the "new owners" were being announced after they (Ron, Scott, Eugene) already had been.

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  21. Please do let us know if you hear anything to substantiate this. CLC, I feel you! If it is true, I'll have to scream!

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  22. Yes scream is putting it lightly. All the good will and promises and dreams up in smoke - again. Can't say anymore. It is to pathetic to even waste words on anymore.

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  23. Are you kidding me? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Traci gone, but again?! We have to go through all of this again. And if Traci isn't in charge, there is less likelihood that people will be able to come back from being banned. Right now she holds the keys and new owners may be less likely to look at past suspensions and just be ready to start new. Ugh. I don't want to even try and trust anyone new. Especially after finding out that Ron was secretly still involved in Foopets until 2011. What's to say that this will be any different?

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    1. bulletin just in - no, the site is NOT changing hands again, there was a confusion in dates that caused the illusion that the "new owners" were being announced after they (Ron, Scott, Eugene) already had been.
      Ron, as the patent/copyright holder on most if not all of the site, would come up as "involved" regardless of WHAT he was actually doing...he pretty much had his hands tied as far as control from 3/10 on, and was squeezed out by the backers, who thought Janasov was a proven moneymaker, in 8/10.

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  24. And yet once again I say...fixed economy = BS.

    http://www.foopets.com/topics/show/2324677?forum_id=33&page=2

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  25. Wow... If they are changing owners I'm a little upset and happy.To be honest ya Traci can be really mean sometimes... But I did see her As a friend. Right now though I'm not happy with Foo I honestly feel trapped. I contacted support and they are refusing to cancel my account. I can bet Traci has been stalking me on Foo... I never told her I was leaving she then she Messgaes me bye.... And I NEVER told her I was leaving. I feel like I'm being forced to stay on site that I no longer what to stay on. I feel like I'm also being ignored by the ambassadors... I messaging them saying bye I'm leaving... They never replied when they always do... I feel that Traci has a "plan" for me becuase one I can't leave Foo, becuase they refuse to cancel my membership... I honestly don't know what to do anymore....

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    1. they cant refuse to cancel your account. you go in and cancel it yourself, do you not? i cant, i know that. i just cancel the clubfoo on it, though, I am or should I say, WAS on recurring monthly payments.

      Again, my new tickets have been closed. with no reply from them. i just cannot understand why traci is being so rigid (and i told her so) her professionalism is non existent, and again, how can she dedicate the time needed to work full time on foopets, when she has other jobs repossessing ppls homes. i fail to see how she is indeed qualified in any kind of customer service. shes rigid, and uncaring. her posts make me physically sick, whedn she says we love you all, we really care about you all. its a pile of spew, it really is. I have proven im innocent, then I get banned for apparently bragging about being innocent? what is she wanting me to do, tell ppl I was guilty, so foopets can save the embarrassment of admitting their mistake? and now im being ignored. the playground tactics are sickening, and ron really should get out and make an announcement and at least answer his emails and hear out those aggrieved. im so devastated by all this.

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    2. She can't cancel it because she paid for 6 months. Apparently, if you pay in advance, you can't cancel.

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    3. man, that sucks. :-(

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  26. Bear with me for a few seconds while I put all the emotional pain and troubles and the players' issues with Traci and cheating and everything on a back burner for a minute and look at the selling of Foo just from an outsider's perspective.... I promise to come back around to those things in a few minutes because it is hugely important...

    I wish I could remember who it was here on Foop that described the code at Foo as being like a rabbit warren of tangled spaghetti so I could give that person proper credit but with that thought in mind-
    Who in God's name is going to WANT to buy/inherit/be plagued with that mess of code as the buyer of a company?!? Who is going to be willing to jump in and learn all this nonsense and language and rules and deal with the mess that it is, all the glitches and problems and the fact that it never runs smoothly? If I was a buyer in the market for a game like this wouldn't I want an operation that runs smoothly? Or would Foo (or I guess, more correctly speaking- Ron..) gloss over all the problems and just foist the mess off without disclosing the nightmares? If I was a buyer and bought the mess not knowing and discovered *after* the sale what was happening would I really want to put the time, money and resources into fixing it or would I cut and run and just shut the nightmare down?

    Now, back to the players and the problems we've been looking at here- add all that into the code mix I just described above and you have a pretty unattractive package to offer a new buyer overall. Granted, I know nothing about online games and how they run and whatnot but it doesn't sound appealing to me as a hypothetical buyer. Maybe internet game folks(buyers) are more up for the challenges like this that come with it all? Does anyone with knowledge of the workings of the business side of games know of any other similar situations that have happened? Did the games and companies survive or were they shot and put out of their misery?

    I know some people completely *abhor* speculation and think it is the work of evil people but I'd rather look at the facts as we know them, look at other examples of similar situations and see if we can make some sense out of what may happen in our future. I know this type of thinking isn't everyone's cup of tea but for the folks who do like putting pieces of the puzzle together I hope you'll share what you know and what you think.

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    1. bulletin just in - no, the site is NOT changing hands again, there was a confusion in dates that caused the illusion that the "new owners" were being announced after they (Ron, Scott, Eugene) already had been.

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    2. Thank you for that update, Gold Rush! I suppose I'm relieved? I dunno. I'm not sure how to feel, I guess. Befuddled and frustrated mostly.

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    3. Sigh. I wasn't sure how to feel honestly, but the fact that we are stuck with traci doesn't really make me feel better.

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  27. I have a 6 month membership that expires in September.... I couldn't find the cancel button on my profile so I went to support to ask for it to be canceled. They said no. So I told them if it was because you couldn't give refund it was okay, they still refused and gave me the option to suspend my account indefinitely and if I wanted to get back a PARENT had to send a ticket into support which was weird and suspicious So I declined the offer.... But I seriously have no other way to get off of Foo. I can't just log out because I just be tempted to log in again.... I mean what in the world am I not allowed to cancel my account. When my account was suspended Traci offered to cancel but now when I ask they can't.... It's so frustrating... Also one of my friends left Foo, (she canceled) and she sent in a ticket to support to explain why and Traci basically begged her to renew.... She also lied once again.... I'm sick and tired of being lied to for a site that I pay for.... I seriously think something is up... They won't let me leave Foo, and I feel like the ambassadors are ignoring me... It feels like im constantly being watched by Traci. When i messaged her on her account asking if she could cancel my account she replied rudely... "You can simply stop playing Islen, it's completely up to you :)" her exact words....I don't know what's going on she refused to cancel when I asked she knows I just can't log out because  I can just log in again.... I just want to know why I'm being treated like this....

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    1. hugs to you izzy. . . .i really dont see why they cant do it either, makes no sense. xoxooxo

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    2. mmm...they can't STOP you from leaving, either - while rudeness is NEVER appropriate, the basic point is valid, you CAN just walk away and not log back on. if it ever comes to the point where i feel it necessary to depart FooPets altogether(it would take an awful lot), whether or not i had "active" memberships at the time would not make a difference.

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  28. I have had it too with Traci. She is the one that told me to come to her when problems arose and I did so (not daily). She claims I submit a ticket everyday. I, as well do not receive answers. For her past employment, auctioneer for homes, what does this have to do with foo? Then I found out that she is a niece of Ron's. I am actually dreading going to foo everyday. Nothing ever works as it should and all Traci tells me is that it's my pc. Nice cop out. Ron cannot be on foo because of his job. That is what she told me. He needs to seriously look into what is going on and not letting one person alone handle what they cannot. All this time gone by and they are "still" working on things? Is this really an answer as to why the site is so slow....traffic? I could be on real late where many of us are asleep and it still is so slow. According to Traci, we ALL need to have patience for as long as needed. This is absurd to me.

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    1. as far as the long and stressful (for them AND us) process of unraveling the damage done by years of quick-and-dirty recoding goes, yes, all we can do is bear with it - and the glitches it will inevitably cause. this does not excuse bad manners on anyone's part - if anything, extra effort in customer service and relations will be needed.

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  29. Wow. I just decided to visit this blog after a few months. Reading about the ever continuing drama on Foo makes me actually happy that I stopped paying the membership fee near the end of March.

    In related news, I've also stopped using the Facebook account that I created to play Farmville with the online friends I made on Foo. Farmville doesn't have the same kind of problems but the game developers have now made playing it a full-time chore.

    What is it with all these game developers that they can't see that playing online games should be a relaxing experience?! Those games where you shoot at things are a whole nother thing. Some of us also enjoy games in which you can chat with fellow players and gradually build your own little world without any time limits and begging items. I've got enough work-related stress as it is and the office drama keeps on going too. I don't need more of it on the net.

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  30. Anyone notice Traci's post in Chit-Chat? The new Sticky....it's...weird.

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    1. I agree.. Im just a little scared to do or post anything on Foo.I swear I feel like she's stalking me on Foo... But at least she's trying to get to "know" us better... /goes hide/

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    2. On its own it not weird but she made it a sticky and that is weird

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    3. Yeah, good point, Feline Strange, why would it be sticky? I don't want to sound like I'm nit picking but.... when I see some threads that have great information that are never made sticky and then this one from Traci that *is* sticky. I dunno. Guess I'm as befuddled as ever! ;)

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    4. I don't see a sticky from Traci in chit chat. Why am I always so lost?

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    5. LOL Me again. That sticky is pretty creepy, if you ask me. Her little game of kiss up won't work with me. But then that post is obviously not directed at the adults and Foo Old Timers. I do NOT like the woman and trust her even less.

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    6. Yes, it is obviously an attempt to appear sweet and kind to the younger foopetters. I also saw her post on the messageboard of someone that she had been annoying, a sweet little message effectively saying how sorry she was that the person was upset, and to please contact support and explain how she might have been mistaken. From what I can tell, that player has effectively turned their back on foopets, so she is quite safe posting such a message -- the player will probably not see it, and all their friends will say "aww look, Traci is bending over to be nice".

      I think it might be too little too late, but hey, maybe it will work, who knows. I am a cynical old biddy, and I need more coffee *grin*

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    7. from what i've heard, Traci (MissJoeyLee) on message boards is an entirely different person than Traci in Support - whether this is due to others being able to "see" her actions/comments is an interesting question...wondering if there's some way we can work with this on behalf of the members locked out at the moment.

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  31. Thanks for the update, Gold Rush! LOL! I responded to her chit-chat post. It was too funny not to. I'm sorry Islen (Izzy?) that you feel that way but I know how you feel. Been there, done that, from another member. Hang in there!

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    1. I go by islen or izzy... :) either one is okay. Looks like the flash contests are starting back up again next week, hopefully I can get one in before I leave.

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  32. addidng to my ticket daily, and each day, its still being marked "resolved" and i get no answer. :-( i dont know what else to do

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  33. why is traci closing all my support tickets?

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    1. Baxter - It would seem that once you are permanently banned from the site, they simply refuse to talk to you again. It is what is happening with angrychikita up there.

      I say if you're banned, they no longer have the right to tell you not to share your Support Tickets publicly. If they refuse to answer them, it should be public knowledge since they can't claim at all to be protecting the player after banning them. They are gone, what are they being protected from?

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    2. Wow, Anon#42! Excellent thoughts about posting once you are banned! I'd love to have a clearer idea of what has happened and continues to happen to our fellow players.

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    3. I agree with Anon#42. Since you appear to be considered as a non-person and non-player by Traci, and you are totally unable to get into any kind of dialogue with her or any Support staff, you have nothing to lose by publishing all of the information and proofs that you have on a public forum.

      Also they have no legal leg to stand on if they get all upset about you publishing, because that particular nasty little rule was put in place AFTER you were banned; therefore you did not agree to it when you signed up or played foopets.

      Foopets is unable to do you any more harm. Enjoy the freedom (((hugs)))

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    4. it took over 40 days of daily back-and-forth to get FooBA4U and Canaan reopened after an infraction that actually benefited members, pets, and the site by making money for it...and i hung in for over a month fighting for the 3 accounts closed over OperationLifeboat, and though i never did get those back, i was still able to annoy them into responding by persevering.

      i have had an email from Ron on this, and i have asked for some further clarification as it does not respond to a number of the points i was trying to make...we'll see what happens. Baxter, Chikita, if you are willing to do so, please email me your SSs and i will look into opening a ticket of my own on your behalf. this might be a better move than taking them public.

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  34. We have a nice shiny new glitch; player profiles come up as Mad Kitty, including the player's own page.

    A bit of a game-stopper for anyone who uses profiles for feeding from or messaging. Pet profiles (but of course you have to know the link address), fotos pages, and forums still work.

    Wonder what they are doing to the profile pages? This is like one of the earlier problems we had just after Rivet went bust.

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    1. Oh sigh. Well this one actually happened a couple of weeks ago and they got it sorted in an hour or two. Hopefully it can be done again. :P

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  35. Yesterday was probably one of my scariest on Foo.I was put in a situation that I didn't want to be put in until I got back. I members asked me why I was quitting, I told her I was hurt and I was tired of miserable, she asked who was hurting me, it was complicated to to explain that it was an admin... She said I should confront the admin, (I didn't tell which admin) and tell her why I felt I was hurt by them, I was like no I'm to scared... Next think I know Traci (MissJoeyLee) messages me asking why I am afraid of an admin... I'm like ummm who told you so I go to the girl that I had been messaging her my feelings which was a stupid idea, seeing Traci thanked her for letting her know so I go to Traci's messages and she spilt out everything, and I mean everything, and Im like oh not I'm dead, Im dead, I'm dead.... But some things weren't true so I had to reassure Traci, and then Traci was Apprantly Confused as to what the girl was explaining... So she asked me to send a ticket into support explaining everything.... So I finally was able to express why I felt so hurt by Traci... I'm surprised by her response it was kind, she offered me to take a break which is what I was going to do until someone went to an admin without lettting me know... Even if I can "fix" things with Traci, Im still leaving... I didn't want to spill the beans until after I returned because I had absoultey no clue how she would respond... But thank goodness it's out of my system... I can tell I'm in less pain already :)

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    1. it would appear that she is concerned about her public image on message boards and Forums, which might be a good sign...one of the points made in Ron's recent email was that even players fully culpable in the Gifting Glitch were allowed back after "apologising" (and returning wrongfully gained assets), so it would seem a power issue as much as one of wrongdoing.

      if anyone with a (reasonably) compllete list of offenders could check and let me know who is and isn't back, it might give me a better angle on helping Baxter and Chikita.

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    2. I was actually surprised she wasn't angry at me for bascally me telling of her wrong doing, because we all know if you confront traci of her mistake it ain't pretty but I'm glad she replied to me kindly :)

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  36. Foopets is down.

    At Goldrush, what email address is Ron responding too? as i have still heard nothing from him.

    i have now finished letter dropping to all local and national newspapers, i plan to letter the investors of the company next.

    Traci must understand that although this is just a game, people have spent money on this site and being ripped off of it like an old carpet for nothing is wrong and the problem will never go away until fixed for all concerned.

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    1. one of the things he mentioned was that due to time contraints he could not respond to "personal" emails (i imagine he receives a LOT, especially at the moment, lol), the only reason i can get through is because he recognises my addie and sees me as representing a group rather than an individual (i guess).

      will go take a look at the site in a sec, it's VERY early here and i'm still sorting my emails (the Foop stuff is rigged to come up there), going through all of this, and trying to pry my eyes the rest of the way open.

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  37. i will send you screenies.

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    1. i just pulled them out and emailed them to myself - two reasons...(a) it's easier to see them that way. (b) i don't want to see ANYONE shot for posting screenies - including me, lol. i can't help people if my hands get tied over a technicality.

      i can forward the email containing them to anyone you authorize.

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    2. note the fact i am first accused of abusing a glitch, then later she confesses she knows i didnt abuse the glitch, but should have known better to accept a lot of items in payment for a pet. also, the latter ones are proof of me messaging her asking about what to do in the addidtional accounts, as there was no glitched items on those, the 32 ravens dont exist, it was one fairy and one raven. and then ultimately, as i questioned her more, I was banned. told i didnt sell all items back as agreed, despite the fact she said all items that were glitched items, and the fact my third and fourth accounts were reactivated on one day, and i was banned the next, so not even given the 48 hours. nothing to lose now, so feel free to use these gold or whatever. if u want to see the proof i sent to her, for Ron, let me know.

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    3. SpellAnonymousWithCLCMay 29, 2012 at 9:46 AM

      I just read your screenie, angrychikita, and all I can say is- Wow! Just wow! How, in the name of all that's holy, is a person supposed to even respond to that?!? Thank you so much for posting it. ::shaking head:: I'm sorry I don't have something better to offer you than just a 'wow' but I'm just kinda speechless.

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    4. SpellAnonymousWithCLCMay 29, 2012 at 10:08 AM

      I posted the above comment after just reading your first screenie. I've now read all of them and I am grateful that you posted them. I'm just at a total loss for words! ::hugs:: Do you have, or does anyone have a screen shot of what Traci is alleging is 'bragging'? Is Traci referring to that the thread that went awry because some of the players got snarky in responding to you? If I'm remembering correctly, your posts on that thread were very positive and nothing even close to bragging.

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  39. Looks at the screen shots above, mouth hanging open!!!!!!!!!!

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    1. Looked at the screen shots as well. Thanks for the fantastic ha ha ha he he he

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    2. SomePeopleAreMoronsMay 29, 2012 at 11:15 AM

      Just because you are good at lying with SS's doesn't mean other people have the know how or the inclination to do so. I have seen other screen shots of people who were threatened by Traci not to speak about their suspension. And other screen shots that show her behaving in this same manner with other suspended players. And all of them their first priority was proving their innocence and getting their accounts back, so they had no reason to doctor them at that time. They believed they would be coming back. Is it all a huge conspiracy then? All people who now provide SS's are doctoring them to make Traci look bad? For god's sake, WAKE UP!

      No one here is laughing but you. And you are only making yourself look like a suck up who wants to believe that Foo has done no wrong, so thanks for THAT fantastic HAHAHA!

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    3. oh yeah nothing like being considered guilty until proven innocene. where is your proof of doctoring SS's.
      foopets is just one big crock of dog dropping anymore anyway!

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    4. I never made any statement that I have doctored any screen shot, never had a reason that I needed to concern myself on taking one of them. I never cheated. I did not have to worry about it. I will make myself CLEAR. Anyone can place words into a screen shot of any type. Y'all are fools and one day when it is proven I will be laughing even more. A suck up I am not, just a laughing member.

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    5. you are right, they can, but these have been copied and pasted straight from my email account. in fact, your probably traci lol

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    6. omg, i havent laughed that hard in ages TakeaGuess. hehehehehe.

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    7. omg, i havent laughed that hard in ages TakeaGuess. hehehehehe.

      Myself as well, might you have any extra ravens? teeheeheeieio

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    8. SomePeopleAreMoronsMay 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM

      LOL TakeAGuess. Actually in this case I think your guess would be wrong. I don't think this is one of the familiar "assholes" as you so gently put it. You'd be surprised at what you might find that even the "assholes" are no longer happy with. A lot of us are tired of Foo's treatment. I say "us" as I am sure I would generally be in the "asshole" category.

      I believe it may be a troll or someone currently on the payroll so to speak. The use of "y'all" doesn't really prove much. Many people use that, and especially kids when using slang. Just saying. ;)

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    9. I don't think your an asshole SomePeople, I specifically stated that icandoctor is. And I think I have an extremely good impression of who exactly that is. There's a history, and their tactic is very telling. :)

      What where once supporters are by no surprise turning their backs, I completely understand and sympathize with that. I was one of them. Foos' disgusting practices are absolutely insane, and there are still those few who are die hard fans because they happen to be very close to some a's. Some of them are even a's. So, it's no surprise to see another purposefully blind idiot come sauntering along again around here.

      My negativity is based on a furious indignation towards certain people who are both sheep, and shepherds.

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    10. My Mom saw what I said and told me to apologize. I am sorry , really. I was wrong. My BFF dared me to say what I did, Mom let me say that. She called me a brat too. I am sorry. I promise never to say things like that again. I had no right to be that way. I am sorry if I upset anyone, I know that I did. Having fun at another persons expense it not so fun. I know that now. I am banned from my pc for 2 weeks now. Oh and I was also laughing@u, well my BFF was.

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    11. What a poor, poor act. ^

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    12. LOL I agree with anonymous, that was a very poor act. Top marks for trying, though, and for the giggles. I now have a pretty good idea who the troll is too.

      I have just had a look at those screen shots, and am disgusted with Foo Support. Even if Manic were guilty, that kind of "toying" with her was unforgivable. The "conditions" which were forced on her were obviously going to be impossible to follow; if she were to communicate with anyone at all on foo, people were going to come to the conclusion that she was innocent, and the word was going to be used by someone. As it happens, she did not trumpet innocence, only joy. We saw her messages after she went back to foo, and she was all happiness and full of positive remarks about Foo; none of this continuing abuse came across at all on forums or any of the message boards that my friends looked at.

      As for the Ravens or Fairies or whatever, how could she "gift" them back to the Mart (I never saw Mart on friends' lists). If Traci meant that she was to sell them, then the items would be back in the system. Would that not cause a glut?

      I saw in there that she was to hand back every item that she had owned within the last 60 days. I am not sure that the ledger goes back that far, but if so that and the gifting tab are the only ways in which to figure out what she had got within that time. Why didn't the "engineers" do that themselves, during those weeks when they were pouring over her accounts, taking screenshots as they went? Who ARE these mythical "engineers" since we have been told that the only employees are Scott, Ron, Eugene (all part-time) and Traci (the only full-time employee). They must either be Traci herself or her imaginary friends...

      Wow.

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    13. Carrie, you are absolutely right. the ledgers didnt go back that far, but my gifting history did. I in fact was told specifically fallinskies had given me 32 ravens. when i check my gifting, as i remembered i sold her a pet for around 700 resell, she sent me, i found, one fairy, one raven and one you tube tv. that was the only gift i received on any of my accounts frm her (with the exception of a basket of bears as a gift one day). so, their information was wrong. i ws grilled for days on these ravens. but they dont exist. fair enought, i sold all the fairies on my main account back to mart, they then wiped the fds. A friend gifted me all her inventory as she was quitting. i showed screenshots i got frm my facebook messages as this person messaged me there saying she was quitting. now , traci said it was many of one item, but the only thing it had duplicates of, where wall clocks, there were about twenty of them, amongst all her inventory (no fairies or ravens) just everyday stuff. I had also, prior to this, started sending all the stuff back (had screenshots of that convo too). on my second account, all there was was gifts from my third and fourth accounts. i was closing them down. Ill show the screenshot i made frm the support ticket asking foo to transfer the stuff for me, and them saying no. on those accounts, there were no "glitched items". and why should i sell back to the mart stuff i had accrued over time from those accounts. some were rare items i paid a lot for, that i had sent to those accounts for scene making. hence, why i demanded an explanation. why were those accounts suspended, because the only account with these so called "glitched" items was my main account, and i did what ws asked of me there, and sold all the items I received for the pet back to the mart, and she came and wiped all my fds. another interesting thing, i checked the ledger on my fourth account, and there were no gifted items on that, but, an admin had very sneakily went into my account and removed over 800fds. why? if she removed FDs from my account, why did she then want me to return items also. She never told me she removed the fds, and wouldnt explain. (i will upload this screenshot also).

      laughing at you - your just pathetic, plain and simple. to come here and laugh and make jibes - do u really have nothing better to do with your time?

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    15. Thank you for sharing these. They do clearly show what you were doing. And it should have been a simple matter for Traci to follow the gifting between accounts easily, seeing that the "glitch" items were not involved. Admins have never been willing to move FDs and foogems for people; we have always had to do so by buying things and taking the "hit" when transferring. And star points or karma have never been transferrable. A little help for closing accounts whilst the gifting was down would have been a kind thing to do, but given the fact that they are short-staffed I can see why they might refuse. I had a friend who was stuck with a similar problem, and all that can be done in such a case is to re-activate the frozen account for a month when the gifting is back, and then do all the shifting. Since March of 2011 it has been clear that the Admins prefer the small boost to their revenue that trapping items on accounts achieves.

      It is interesting that you were replied to by "angie"; is this maybe one of the ambassadors, or Traci in another persona? I see she refers to those mythical "engineers" too.

      What I find most annoying in your correspondence with Traci are: 1. The appallingly huge hit she wants you to take even when she admits that you are innocent of the main crime. 2. The way in which she apparently keeps changing the goalposts, and 3. The nasty way in which she dug at you, asking for "your thoughts" when she obviously didn't give a tuppeny cuss, especially that last comment with "Enjoy finding another game as good as Foopets to play". Whether she meant it to be snarky or not, it comes across as "Loser, you've lost access to the only good game" which is nonsense. There are much better games, and really Foopets is being very foolish in driving away loyal players. Foopet players are only loyal because they love their pets; nobody new is going to be "hooked" in the way that a long-term loyal player is, since new people do not see the site until they pay.

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    17. Carrie - yes, i can understand them not doing it. i only asked, as I knew it had previously been done for zoe. . . but i understood why they could not and then continued doing it myself. then, when my accounts were given back to me, i actually told her i wasn't sure if i was going to reactivate my third and fourth accounts, as i had been planning on closing them down anyway. i then decided to, for the reason you said, reactivate them, and transfer the remaining inventory and fds etc so i didnt lose them. I guess this is what she refers to in her final banning mesage of i continued to transfer items between accounts. **sighs**

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    18. (text from angrychikita's posts, screenshots transferred to my files for the protection of all concerned - as i said above, i'll be happy to forward them to anyone she specifies for private review)

      this one is my request asking them to transfer all my inventory etc as i was closing down my third and fourth account)

      this one is the answer i got. this was after gifting ws disabled mind, so i had already begun transferring all my stuff, then gifting went down. This is why i had such huge amounts of "traffic" of inventory going from my third and fourth accounts to my main account. absolutely NO "glitched" items. and this shows my explanation as to why i had such huge gifting history around this time. maybe if they had actually investigated it properly, they would have saw that i had asked for help in transferring the stuff, but they said no so i was doing it myself.

      this debit on my fourth account was taken BEFORE i reactivated the club foo. why on earth did she sneak in there and take over 800fds from my account, yet, still ask me to send items back to the mart for my fds to be wiped??? even when there were no gifts on this account. i smell b***shit.

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  40. hugs angrychikita. Wow, we're really not in Kansas anymore. It seems that basically you committed the unforgivable crime of not groveling after being wrongly punished. Reading these screenshots it looks like support is run by a bratty 5-year old.

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    1. couldnt agree with you more. xoxoxo

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    2. and thank u for the hugs xoxoox

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  41. why on earth would i doctor a screenshot, i mean really. we arent the ones being childish, its traci who is, and clearly abusing her power. i dont have any evidence that was provided to me about what exactly the bragging was. the only thing i can think of is those forums, as i didnt post anything else. true to her word, she has not responded back to me, so i did not get any confirmation if it was that or not.

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    1. SpellAnonymousWithCLCMay 29, 2012 at 1:11 PM

      AngryChikita, I just wanted to say that I am behind you 100% and this person that seems to be trolling here is very much in the minority. Hang in there and know that you have lots of support here! ::hugs::
      I hope that others who have screen shots of exchanges like this with Traci will have the same courage you do and post them if they feel they can!

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    2. thank you so much for your kind words, they mean a lot (hugs) xooxox

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    3. SomePeopleAreMoronsMay 29, 2012 at 1:56 PM

      I agree with CLC.

      Some people are just trolls. :P

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    4. thank u also. xoxoxoox

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  42. angerychikita, dont even respond to rubbish about doctoring screen shots, as Traci has been a horror to far to many people who all have screen shots similar.
    So you are well believed. As the name says TraciBurnInHell

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  43. What a nightmare for you angrychikita. This whole mess just keeps snowballing and getting more and more hurtful and out of hand. Hugs to you :)

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  44. anybody with a complaint against foopets should contact this place asap

    https://feedback-form.truste.com/watchdog/request

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  45. anybody having there private information shared via traci to other members via support should contact this place

    http://www.ftc.gov/privacy/coppafaqs.shtm

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  46. SomePeopleAreMoronsMay 29, 2012 at 2:23 PM

    Burn - I appreciate what you're trying to do but COPPA is for children. Much of the info shared was info about adults. I am not sure where to go for that.

    Unless COPPA also handles adults?

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    1. coppa handle complaints about business practice, for consumers,

      https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

      The Federal Trade Commission, the nation's consumer protection agency, collects complaints about companies, business practices,

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  47. has anybody noticed this

    foopets says it is this address, but it is a Attorneys office

    Garson C. Soe
    Attorney-at-Law, CPA
    1630 Riviera Avenue
    Walnut Creek, CA 94596

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  48. SomePeopleAreMoronsMay 29, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    It didn't use to say that. Maybe they added the attorney's name when everyone who was innocent started threatening to get their lawyers. I know for a long time, questions about who Foopets lawyer was so people could get in touch went ignored.

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    1. somepeoplearemorons--- no it does not say this on foopets, but foopets is using this address for foopets, when it in fact a lawyers office

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    2. SomePeopleAreMoronsMay 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM

      Oh well that IS interesting. My fault, I thought that was on their Privacy Page. Where did you find that info? Maybe Startapult bought the office from the lawyer or something? Trying to figure this out.

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    3. well i have emailed the law office to see if it is still there or if it has moved to i will update you when i find out , seems strange to me

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    4. it's not unusual to use a lawyer as a legal address, i've run across it before, especially with small entities that don't have a central office of their own. i assume this is the case at the moment, rather than using someone's home address.

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  49. SomePeopleAreMoronsMay 29, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    Something else interesting on the Privacy page:

    "When completing a financial transaction on FooPets.com, for parents and those 18 and older, we will collect and protect the following information:

    Credit card number"

    They have told us time and again they don't store than info. That we were protected from a legitimate hacker because they didn't keep that on file.

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  50. Also Startapult is not accredited with the BBB.

    http://www.bbb.org/us/Find-Business-Reviews/name/Startapult+Inc/WALNUT+CREEK-CA/

    I am not sure what that means for Foopets. Anyone?

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    1. yeah i saw that too,

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    2. Rivet Games is not accredited either, but even with 46 complaints to Startapult's 2, Rivet got an A rating and Startapult has a C-. Ouch.

      Rivet's info:

      http://www.bbb.org/greater-san-francisco/business-reviews/internet-gaming/rivet-games-in-san-francisco-ca-358459#reasonrating

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    3. the BBB is essentially a private group (and a business, that charges businesses a fee to be listed), and had little actual power. not being listed means only that the business didn;t buy a listing, and a poor rating doesn't do much real harm.

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  51. Wow, is all I have to say.... I took a look at those screenshots, and I had to re-read a few to make sure I was reading them correctly... That its just devastating, I apologize that she made you go through that...Im just in utter shock... Ya I have seen Traci's mean side but definitely not anywhere like this... wow... Im just trying to take this in because I was just in support talking about what happened last night, and she was very kind. Which I was a little surprised... but I am happy that I was able to tell her how I really feel about her, and get things worked out...I am still taking a break though, Traci and I both thought it would be best for me just to take a break from Foo at the moment, and I really need a break as well. I have hopes that Foo and its owners will strive for greatness and hopefully once all the coding error is fixed, hopefully Foo can be back where it once was, a fun, safe, and enjoyable site for all.

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  52. Hi folks,

    I composed the message below a couple of weeks ago, but never sent it because things kind of blew up. I've decided to send it now because I seem to be a suspect once again in causing trouble. I have not done so in either case.
    I'd like to make one thing very clear. I HAVE NEVER POSTED TO THIS BLOG. Once before I composed something, but never sent it. The same with the message below ... composed but never submitted.

    As far as accusing someone of doctoring screenshots: It was not me. I never knew that screenshots could be faked. I am aware that there are photo programs that enable one do do many things, but recreating all the different fonts and things to be a perfect image of a fake screenshot? Wow, I never knew it could be done. And I would have no reason to accuse someone of doing so. I have not gotten involved in the troubles on Foo, I've stayed pretty far away so as not to be caught up in the fallout as so many have been. I have read posts in the ClubFoo Forum, which is the only Forum I read any more ... and I rarely post there either. Mostly that's due to things I cover below. It also covers accusations made towards me at another time. While my name has never been mentioned, the words used make it pretty obvious.

    My post below covers the situation for which it was written, but also applies here, so I'll just post it now. Please give me the respect of reading the whole thing (and yes, it's long, but I address that later on). I have respectfully read each and every post in this blog, but never felt I had a reason to post anything ... negative or positive.

    Thank you.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    May 18, 2012:
    A friend told me that I seem to have been mentioned in here as regards a recent thread/member removal. That I was accusing and throwing jibes at the OP of said thread.

    I'd like to thank the anonymous I quote below for understanding where I was coming from:

    *****Anonymous May 18, 2012 7:41 AM
    Sorry Carrie, I didn't know you were talking about two separate people. I saw the one post from the guy but thought it was more an opinion than a jibe, I was more focused on the one that seemed to be so personally against the person making the thread, the female. *****

    I had flagged the OP useful for their suggestion of a yearly loyalty award. I thought it was a great idea. Having flagged it, I didn't see the need to post further. But when the original post was removed, and a friend asked where it went, I simply offered my opinion on what MIGHT have happened. The OP responded to me, and in an edit, I clarified what I had said ...acknowledging that they had NOT said they'd cheated, +/or been suspended, that I didn't know WHO was guilty or not, or been punished or not. I saw the scope of this latest event and stayed far away from it. (obviously I now know one person ... sadly).
    [Now I know of others who have been involved ... frankly the whole thing baffles me, especially the way it's been handled by Foo. With something this big, I would rarely post unless I had an idea of what I was talking about ... I admitted that in my post reply to the Thread author as I write further in my original post.]
    The OP then replied to me, and OP/Anonymous, I was under the impression that you then understood where I was coming from, as you even made a slightly light comment about your words ... a friend even reached out to you later to clarify that you didn't think my words were harassing or accusatory and she said you understood. That was the extent of my involvement in the thread. Period.

    I in no way judged, harassed, threw jibes at, or was nasty to the Anonymous OP. Once the other one posted, I wasn't gonna go near posting again on the thread.

    (to be continued)

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    1. as the original poster, i can confirm that Joshua did this. the person I was referring to was the female. I thought it was clear that Joshua has posted his opinion, and did so following the original post being removed. I took no offence to what Joshua said at all. It was the female poster.

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    2. Looking back at the messages in question, I see that I am the one who upset Joshua by mis-construing his foo post. My apologies. Since I did not mention you by name, the other poster stated their "take" on your message, and the thread had gone from Foo, I did not feel that there was any need for me to speak further about it. It seems that I was wrong; as I say, my apologies.

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  53. part 2:

    It hurts me deeply that there are some here that think so ill of me, and speak so horribly about me. That is not the kind of person I am. I do admit, and have admitted freely, sometimes WAY in the past, baiting some folks that seemed to have IMO been reacting a bit too much out of proportion to a situation. And I got the desired reaction ...sort of. **I regret that now.** I really am not a bad guy. I, like many of you, have stuck it out and remained despite all the turmoil. I too miss the good old days when the community was one of cohesion, pleasantries, and helping one another. I was friends with some of you (and with all the Anonymi it's difficult to know how many, but I know some were friends ... if not on the actual friend list, at least in spirit). Some of you welcomed me to FooPets when I joined in January of 2009 ... early in Foo's journey.

    I don't feel though that the times when I was having some "innocent" fun deserved the vilification I've seen directed at me here. I was targeted as FooPolice even though I was far from the only person who would point something out, and never was nasty about it as others were, always including the appropriate link in my posts. If I see something wrong, I try to correct it and in the most diplomatic way possible. Most of the negative comments towards me I've seen here seem to have stemmed from the "Shorti" thing. And tying me into that was not deserved. Yes, Shorti is a friend, as are Remsie, MissX-Tine, Lainee (who was the first to welcome me along with DyanW, Parrotlady, and LizH), and Parrotlady. And other non-Ambassador members who seem to be liked and disliked alternately here. But I was NOT running to Shorti to slam people, or remove posts or tell her to suspend someone, or whatever I've been accused of. I certainly don't have the power to do that, there are strict criteria the ambassadors have to follow to take ANY action with a member. I don't follow people around Foo, and I certainly did not need to steer Shorti to things. If she got there, she would get there on her own. I have at times messaged one of the ambassadors about something such as kids behaving badly with sexual or cursing posts, but actually, seeing how irritable, and sometimes downright vile some of the people here can get when crossed on Foo, I stayed far away !!! Didn't seem to do me any good ... I've seen myself torn limb from limb on people's message walls.

    My only bad act seemed to have been responding to DaeDreamer's post in CFF immediately when the site came back up after being down for weeks. On a VERY old thread, out of MANY in all forums, she chose to post a snide comment directed at an Ambassador... that was obvious. I just pointed out that out of all the available threads, that felt like a poor choice, and poor choice of words after all the difficulties the site had been having. I was NOT rude or nasty in my comment. Then things were off and running in here and I was Enemy # 1. I had never been made mention of in this publication until then, at least not that I remember. Puzzling, since DaeDreamer and I had been friends, even on the Friends list ... from back in early 2009.

    I'm a good guy ... I have enjoyed FooPets, made amazing friends all over the world, laughed and cried with friends when things were going well and not so well. I've tried hard to stay out of controversy ... sometimes unsuccessfully, but for the most part, spoken only in private with a few friends. I'm a sensitive guy who can't even watch the ASPCA commercials that bring me to tears. And seeing the things written about me here over the months has hurt me deeply. Frankly, it has made me afraid to post ... anywhere. I'm sure my words would be misinterpreted and then twisted and I'd be criticized once again.

    (to be continued)

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    1. "But I was NOT running to Shorti to slam people, or remove posts or tell her to suspend someone, or whatever I've been accused of. I certainly don't have the power to do that, there are strict criteria the ambassadors have to follow to take ANY action with a member. I don't follow people around Foo, and I certainly did not need to steer Shorti to things. If she got there, she would get there on her own. I have at times messaged one of the ambassadors about something such as kids behaving badly with sexual or cursing posts, but actually, seeing how irritable, and sometimes downright vile some of the people here can get when crossed on Foo, I stayed far away !!! Didn't seem to do me any good ... I've seen myself torn limb from limb on people's message walls."

      You EXACTLY ran to her for anything, a silly post, a post that was fighting, a post that didn't agree with your opinion, or just to create drama. You EXACTLY had the power to influence what she did, and you used it without discretion. Strict criteria? Bullshit, Shorti followed her own rules. You EXACTLY followed people around Foo, on and off the site, only to create more drama. Shorti EXACTLY did NOT get around to a lot of posts on her own, you EXACTLY directed her there. You have EXACTLY messaged a's on more than enough occasions, not just something that involved bad language or inappropriate content. You have EXACTLY been an irritable and downright vile person, stop looking at the kettle. And you got DIRECTLY involved with those people too, behind the scenes directing and manipulating others to say and act what you want them too. You have been torn limb from limb because you deserved it, due to you doing the exact thing off the site, and even on the site.

      Not only are you a hypocrite, but a straight out liar.

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    2. I am sorry you feel hurt Joishua. I know too well what it is like when ppl have developed negative opinions about you. All i can say is, in regards to my post, the one is suggestions, you did edit and told me you marked useful, and that your OPINION on it was due to a few select words i used, that could have been why the original post was removed. Any reference I made to that post, was based on what the female poster did, which was directly jibed and poked fun at me. As i told our mutual friend, I did not take offence in any way to your post, and i still dont. the other person was who I was unhappy at.

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    3. I also want to add that though Joshua may or may not have done what he typically has in the past, I am not referring directly to this one thread that is currently being talked about. I am referring to at least the last three years of drama. I need not supply proof, because he knows what he did. He stepped on a lot of toes, and expects people to respect him now because of it. It was only a matter of time, Joshua, before your shit came back to slam you in the face. What I can't believe is how you have blatantly lied, something I used to think you where above. You proved me wrong. I still have conversations of you manipulating and steering, teehee-ing away.

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    4. Azkani-KarmaPoliceMay 30, 2012 at 10:36 AM

      Coming out of my anon closet lol, just to point out a couple of things. I just wanted to say that I felt Joshua told his side of the story in a way that was calm and though long (which I am too, so I can't say anything about that other than some of us find it hard to put our feelings into words without using a lot of them), it was heartfelt and not attacking anyone. He came here to get some resolution and to clear up some things that were mistakenly said. I don't think that anyone here needs to attack a man for that. Or that his regrets should be taken for anything but what they are. I too am aware that I said some things that I shouldn't have, acted in ways that made some dislike/despise me. Which is fine, I saw my mistakes and have been working on it. I believe that in his post here, Joshua is also trying to work out some things and that he has stopped a lot of the posts that seem to make people angry, as have I, or have tried to do.

      I haven't seen Joshua post anything that could be classed by anyone as insulting in a long time. I believe he came here to clear the air and attempt to explain himself, and there is nothing wrong with that. As one who has been referred to on here, many times in a negative light, I understand why coming here and posting his side felt like a good idea and was something he wanted to do.

      As someone who knows him well, I can say that he *is* a kind person. He is very sweet, loyal, and genuine. He and I both made mistakes in defending Rivet, but how could we know at the time what the future held? And really, I still prefer their style to what is happening now, though that is just a personal opinion. One that I am sure not many share, and that is fine.

      As being one that was also accused of using/maneuvering Shorti, I will say only that Shorti is a mountain. She will not be moved to action even with her friends unless she feels something is wrong. As for Shorti following her own rules, we have differing opinions on that and I stated mine on the "Page That Shall Not Be Named" lol. And I don't wish to start a brawl here by restating it. I am still of those opinions regarding her, and she is still a loved and respected friend.

      Also I think that a few posts down captured the essence of this. We have a clear issue here, one where we can band together and try and help one another. Joshua came to tell everyone how he felt and I don't see the need to attack anyone's feelings. Especially when he so obviously came peacefully and not on the attack.

      We are all feeling some discomfort on the site right now, wouldn't it be better to let past differences fall away and attempt to be the community we used to be to solve this problem?

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    5. There are many, many instances where I can prove how loyal he really is, and how "uninfluential" he is. Many. I was one person out of many that got caught up in his cross-fire. I watched another friend, who thought that Joshua was an honest friend, completely throw them under the bus for his amusement. I've watched him direct Shorti to ignore, ban, or act snotty towards more than one member because he didn't like their opinions. Yes, he may be fabulous around animals, judging from the ASPCA comment, but that doesn't mean he's fabulous around people. People who have done nothing to slight, he has so easily turned around and stabbed them in the back.

      Not everyone is roses and glitter, as much as some would like to believe. They may be trying to do good now, but there was no attempt to even bother to make up for the shit that they caused for so long, and so recently. The fear of posting anywhere? I remember when that concept was laughed and mocked at.....sucks, huh?

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    6. Azkani-KarmaPoliceMay 30, 2012 at 11:23 AM

      Then may I just ask you, if you have seen and can prove that he directed Shorti to ignore, ban, or act snotty to anyone, that you just come forward with this proof? It would be much easier to see where others are coming from, and I am sure that Joshua would welcome the chance to explain anything that seems sinister to you. I could be wrong on that, because I didn't ask him. But he is an upfront guy with me, so I can't see that he would mind a chance to explain himself if such proof exists (if he chooses to post here again). Did you see it on Shorti's message board?

      Also I am sorry that you feel this way about his friendship. He and I have disagreed privately over things, Foo-related and not, and he has always maintained his friendly attitude and respected my opinions. So no, I don't see any faults in his friendship because he has never given me cause to. And I don't believe he ever will. He has been there for me through many things. And never once blinked or made me think that he was anything but a good and genuine friend.

      But my main point was that we all do seem to have a common goal now. Something to rally behind. If we could just put aside our differences, it would make us stronger. I may not like or agree with everyone here as many don't like or agree with me. But still I am here because the main goal is a good one. And the "enemy" is not individual players.

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    7. If I stepped forward right now, I would reveal exactly who I am. And while you may think me a coward for hiding behind Anon, I am doing it because of how badly I was treated and care NOT to get treated like that, ever again. When I am confident that there is no one in any form of power that I KNOW can cause more damage, I will be happy to speak up and show anyone exactly what I am talking about. To show how spiteful and back stabbing certain people really are. Until then, I won't. Maybe Joshua will have the courage to admit to all of this, but I somehow doubt that. And maybe if I'm really lucky, so will the rest of the people who took part in their gleeful tyranny.

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  54. part 3:

    I'm still on FooPets. I care for my pets and two others' pets twice a day. I read posts in the CFF forum only, with an occasional foray into Announcements. I rarely even post anymore. That's it. ChitChat lost me 2 years ago. I don't miss it one bit. I've never been into decorating, so never got into the buying/selling of items, and I have only bred once ... one of my Danes to one of Remsie's ... to celebrate my adoption of Sammie a year ago. So breeding doesn't interest me. I have never sold any of the pets I've acquired over the years, so buying/selling of pets never interested me. I've stayed because of my pets, and the friendships I've made.

    And I've only briefly mentioned it to a few friends, but I'm about fed up with the place too. It seems to have morphed into a very negative place where cheating is the norm, bad behavior goes unpunished, and good behavior sometimes does get punished, babies are being thrown out with the bathwater, and the whole place has gone to hell in a hand-basket. I only stay out of hope ... and even that's running VERY thin. I have not defended or recommended FooPets to anyone in a very long time ... I've just not been public about it anywhere. And I don't know how I would leave if I were to decide to leave.
    [Note from now: I briefly saw a long thread this evening that was sent to me that seemd to be a flagrant flaunt of the cursing prohibition. I was frankly mortified that these children were purposely posting in this manner. I'm glad the thread was deleted, it deserved to be. I have no idea if there were any repercussions ... seems that Forum offenders are getting away with garbage these days. My opinion, and mine alone.]

    This is my first and hopefully only post to this publication ... hopefully. But since I seem to have been misunderstood today [05/18/12] by all but one of you, and possibly the OP/Anon, I felt I needed to say something. And YES I am wordy ... but it's only to prevent misunderstanding ... unfortunately, some folks have their minds made up that my words are nuthin' but horse hockey pucks. And that's too bad.

    I really AM a nice guy, and not the monster I'm made out to be, and again ... it hurts me deeply to be thought of that way.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Then and now,

    Hope everyone has had a good weekend and enjoys the week.
    :~}>
    Joshua

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    1. Hi, Joshua! It's good to see you posting here, it can be therapeutic for those of us who need to let our hair down but (mostly) not in a crude or rude manner. By the way, where are parts 1 and 2? Not lost in the aether I hope!

      My account froze a while ago and I can attest to the fact that you are a "nice guy" once one digs beneath the mocking attitude. It just takes a bit of digging hehehe...

      The problem for people on foo, I believe, has been the fact that threads about which they cared would get locked or deleted once your good self and one or two others started posting on them and de-railing the serious purpose of the thread and any decent discussion on it. I have seen you actually misunderstand what other posters say, and jibe at them, then the thread is locked and they are unable to point out your mistake. This can hurt as much as, it seems, you have been hurt by something that you have seen here. The fact that you tend to be wordy about it is just a little comical, but the de-railing of a thread can be very irritating, especially when one of the more heavy-handed ambassadors came piling in and telling off everyone except for yourself and one or two others who agreed with you and who also used sarcasm. Whether you meant that to happen or not, the fact is that it did, and that it can appear to others to be intentional.

      Another thing that can be irritating to others is the overly positive attitude and the oft-repeated advice to be patient because "they are working on it" -- advice which was proved to be wrong once we saw how little, and how badly, Rivet actually did. We are still watching, really, to see if foo's new/old owners improve things. The Fooscooper is a great place to wait and watch :)

      I have looked through the threads here on the Fooscooper and cannot see any during May that mention you at all. You say "But since I seem to have been misunderstood today [05/18/12] by all but one of you, and possibly the OP/Anon" and yet I see neither your name nor your Taipei pseudonym mentioned on or around that date?

      Remember though, a lot of the people who post here are unable to post their true feelings on Foo and, like a pressure-cooker, the steam has to be let out somewhere ;) As others who came here recently to post defensively or even aggressively have discovered, we are a crowd who welcome sufferers with open arms, and Gold Rush is amazingly supportive and helpful.

      I am having a great week, I hope you are too.

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    2. Hello Joshua!

      First of all, welcome! Second of all, your just about the greatest hypocrite I've ever come across. Your such a good person, you enjoy throwing other people under the bus for your amusement, poking fun at anyone who doesn't share your, or your leaders opinions, consistently mock for the sheer pleasure of it, and perpetually snicker at how witty you are, and then hide behind an "a".

      Your really not a good person, though you can keep telling yourself that. I have personally watched you goad other players into silence, and push the buttons of other people to say what you want them to say, making them look bad while you sit there and laugh feeling awfully good with yourself.

      You want to be a good person? Then act like a good person. For years you've been doing this, taking pleasure in another person's chaos and hurt. That doesn't make you someone who deserves respect, or believe the ramble you just posted.

      My advice to you? Thrive off of your own chaos and hurt, not that of others.

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    3. Joshua's posts were futzed with by the blogsite for reasons unknown (i am taking steps to prevent that in the future), and i suggest that everyone responding to him reread them all in order...and i apologise to him for the confusion and problem.

      i see things here devolving once more into personal attacks, something which i'd rather not see on the Foop at all, and specifically on this post where i am trying to make a case with management to defend all players hurt in the Gifting Glitch fiasco - and we KNOW they are looking - and help rebuild FooPets as a place where all members are comfortable. (which i thought THIS was - until recently)

      i would remind everyone that this is an open forum where ALL are entitled to speak their minds, pro and con, and while response is welcomed to me and anyone else posting here, it really ought to be in the form of reasoned points, not takedowns. everyone is entitled to think - and post - what they wish : i only ask that they DO think, not just attack someone else's thoughts.

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    4. i noticed that gold, at first i only saw part 3 of josh post, i was confuzzled.

      can i ask,you KNOW they are looking, and again, i cant even describe to you how thankful i am that you are doing this for members involved. you really are a diamond. but with they are looking at it again, who is looking, it would be counter-productive if Traci was looking at it again. As she is the person ppl are unhappy with.

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    5. Hi again Joshua!

      Yay, parts one and two arrived! Hehe going a bit cross-eyed getting them in order...

      Well you know, I think you are being a wee bit oversensitive here -- until you posted this, I had no idea that you were the person alluded to. The trouble as I understand it is that the whole thing has gone west now, so none of the foo players here can see, but it does sound as if your part in that post has been accepted for what it was; I imagine that there would have been more about it if it hadn't. One of the reasons why it might have been misinterpreted could be

      And as for the screenshot doctoring, I personally did not think that poster was you, and I am surprised that you think others do... I got to go read those posts again! Seriously, I have a person in mind that I think is the "troll" and she is female and has that particular style, including apparently pretending to be a child afterwards.

      I too am totally baffled by the way in which this latest problem has been handled by foo, it would seem almost as if they want to drive people away.

      Quote **I regret that now.** /Unquote well bless you, I am glad to see that. I do remember when I was posting on foo, getting quite annoyed when a good thread was hijacked and someone truly upset by sarcasm and digs, so {{{hugs}}} for the regrets :) Truly though, I can see why people were upset at the "fun" you were having! As for the FooPolice thing, don't worry, the others too have been growled and grumbled about too, maybe too far back to go searching; oh, and poor AZ certainly took a few spikes, bless her. Do remember that the people here are either those who have suffered at the hands of Foopets and various FooPolice, or cannot see the site and get all snippets of news from this blog {{{{huggles Gold Rush}}}}

      Ah, you are talking about the HUGE thread that went ballistic when a bunch of Shorti's friends came in under the mistaken belief that she was being attacked. Before they arrived, in fact, the discussion was about how she had gone a bit nutso as an example of how ambassadors' powers should be either limited and/or monitored. A link was posted to a thread in which she had posted her thoughts on how children should be treated, which was inappropriate in the context of a child-friendly site over which she had power. People came jumping in to attack everyone here, and then when defending themselves those who were here said some regrettable things. And, if you look, you will see that most people have since made up their differences and Shorti has I gather of her own accord taken a sabbatical.

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    6. Wups... don't know what happened to the sentence "One of the reasons why it might have been misinterpreted could be" because you have been seen to have fun at members in the past.

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    7. Dear Joshua- I have avoided you all the time I have been on Foo. You may very well be a "nice guy". But every time I saw you post I knew there was no point in trying to continue a discussion on the thread. Your word ended all pretense of there being any give or take. And I eventually stopped using the forums altogether. It was a waste of my time and emotional angst. Some of my dear friends did not. Friends you seemed to enjoy toying with and insulting with high handed albalm and no emotional consideration at all. You could cut a person off at the knees like no one else and leave them to crawl off in pain and embarrassment. For even the smallest joke or tiny gaff you had to be heard. Albeit you were not alone. There were and are others with your skills.

      You had no idea what their circumstances were yet you had to comment on everything with your condescending holier than thou attitude. You always knew everything about everything and your stern calmness was like being taken to the principals office for simply asking to go to the bathroom. You assumed the personality of an authority figure even though you had none and that is - in my mind - a bullying tactic.

      I found your high handed condescending "above the rest of us peons" to be insulting and irritating. You treated all kids like morons and all adults like children. So whatever your selling today. I think it is just an attempt to cover your behind. To become one of us - again. You might think about all the people you hurt along the way Joshua because there were a lot. The ones who lost their parent and were acting out the day you scolded them or the adult who lost their job or the kids whose alcoholic parents are beating the crap out of each other in the next room. Or the adult who lost their home that day or their beloved pet. You may think you came off as a "good guy' but things are not as they appear on the internet Joshua. I will take you at you word you think you are a nice guy but it did not look that way to me.

      You have a great day. And I hope no one treats you like you treated us.

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  55. Sorry about posting as an Anonymous, I just could not be bothered to go through all the rigmarole to create a fake profile. If you need a name, then call me "PieChart".

    I just wanted to say that I think there is an option missing from the poll... there should be the option of, "It's their glitch, if people take advantage of it, then boo-hoo". Because that's my honest opinion.

    There have been many glitches that went unpunished - why all of a sudden punish one glitch after having let all other glitches before then go unpunished? And then, to add insult to injury, when MORE glitches happened after the gifting glitch, those also go unpunished? This is very unfair.

    AngryChikita, I feel so sorry for you, that you were punished and are innocent. :( *Huggles*

    I don't think that anyone should be punished for Foo's glitches.

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    1. i thought about adding an option like that, but when i tried someone had already voted and changes were locked...but the main reason action was taken in this case was because so many members were angry that the Unicorn Room profiteers went unpunished...this was handled abysmally, granted, and is still getting sorted out (i hope), but some kind of middle-road policy has to be developed NOW, before another disaster comes down the pike.

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    2. (oh, and there's no need to create a profile, false or otherwise - just select "name/url" and use the url here from your browser. i tried it the other day from the library and it works fine.)

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    3. Information For Gold Rush

      Find below the response i got with regards to Foopets using this address as the address of foopets

      xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

      I am the Registered Agent for Startapult, Inc.

      Please email any Support & Complaint issues to support@foopets.com.

      Regards,


      GARSON C. SOE, Attorney at Law, MBA, CPA
      LAW OFFICES OF GARSON C. SOE
      1630 Riviera Ave.
      Walnut Creek, CA 94596
      Ph: (925)935-9090; Fax: (925)935-4069
      Email: garson@soelaw.com; Website: www.soelaw.com

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    4. as i said, i've encountered that before in other companies, in and of itself it's not significant - but it does give people a "live" contact for their grievances, thank you!

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    5. Gold Rush i am confused? you say this is not significant but Traci has asked people to write in to this address as she no longer wishes to communicate via support with certain people.... but this Attorney is redirecting people back to Traci via support,

      How can people complain effectively about traci when the information is always going back to traci being the only fulltime member of foopets dealing with all communications?

      and more to the point how can you not see this?

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    6. thank you annonymous. it has certainly been a very frustrating time and very devastating.

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    7. i'm not saying it's not significant in the sense of being useful, but just that it isn't unusual - and neither is buck-passing, which seems to be the game being played here (sigh). it would be nice if there were SOME accessible arbitration source to which both sides of the issue could present their cases.

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  56. To those anonymi who want to help poor Gold Rush out, all you need to do is, instead of choosing "anonymous" choose "name/url," type in your chosen pseudonym, and leave the url blank. It works for me every time, with the added bonus that as I start to type my name the box helpfully completes it for me now.

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  57. I see here people attacking the posts of Joshua
    As everybody is rather annoyed at the moment I think it would be more relative if people kept on track to the subject in hand ( Traci Loftis Community Manager )
    I understand everybody feels what they do on an individual level but attacking this guy for being whatever is so irrelevant.

    We need to keep this about what it is Foopets management abusing power and taking the piss out of members for they mistakes.

    Sure we all want to vent but if we don’t do it in relation to what is going on it will appear we have gone off track.

    Traci Loftis is still sat in the captains seat of the Fooship probably deleting her conduct as we sit here moaning about the hypocritical conduct of a member who is board line idiotic. But nevertheless what is more important the fact that members are being abused and bullied and threatened by management or the conduct of a members posts on a thread?

    If we don’t all pull together and complain to as many avenues as possible this crap will go unheard and unacknowledged, spread the word of this blog to as many people as possible tell everybody to come here and share there horrors and stop the members of Foopets being silenced by a dictatorship.

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    1. I agree. Actually Joshua is posting in response to a different blog thread, the one titled "Lyin's and Tigers and Bugs, Oh My." which is fine, but I think that we need to keep focussed here. Let's welcome him here (or not if you don't want to) and move on.

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    2. what carrie said (hugs)

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    3. I don't agree.... Yes Traci may have her moments, but once you get to know her she can be very sweet. Ya she did things that hurt me, yet I confronted her about it and she apologized... I know what she is capable of and that is what had me scared, but now that's I've told how I've felt she changed for the better well for me atleast...

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    4. Well Carrie I agree, I think we should be welcoming him here and showing him the home truths of Foopets, sure I may have appeared hard in my use of language but my portrayal of him as border line idiotic was uncalled for so I apologise.

      But throughout my time on Foopets his posts have always been an issue, his wording and use of language has always invoked negative remarks and he has never done him self any favours. But I don’t want to make this all about him and who he is, he deserves the same chance to know the horrors of what is really going on should he be interested in this.

      So welcome to him

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    5. Islen - I am surprised, after everything you have posted, your opinion has changed so dramatically.

      not meaning to offend, but you have done everything she asked, whether or not it was fair of her to ask you to do so, so of course she is being nice to you.

      the problem is, those of us who wont just roll over and do what she wants, because what she is asking is not just, are being victimised. im glad though you feel more comfortable.

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    6. Islen – “Traci can have her moments” – that is an understatement if you are her friend because she let you back or said sorry, you have obviously not been threatened or had to endure what a lot of people have, so count yourself as lucky, and count your self no further. You have no clue as to her antics, and are being naïve. Or blinded

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    7. TraciBurnInHell - The attack on Joshua does actually have something to do with Foo as a whole, since he was at the center of Shorti's reign not so long ago. There is also the matter of truth, which from what I believe, is the center of the Foop. This place is my connection to a lot of old friends from when Foo was a good place, even though they don't know who I am (for reasons I care not to get into at this point). This whole fiasco now doesn't center entirely on Traci, but rather a whole group of players, new and old, with situations also new and old. Joshua happens to be one of them.

      Now, I really am not trying to pick a fight with you, I promise that is the far from my intentions. I completely understand your anger and frustration and sadness, though it may be for different reasons, I still understand. But it seems to me that your perception on Foo's ill practices rest solely in Traci's lap, in which, they don't. She's a major player now, but not the only one. There is a bigger picture, and I personally feel that "FooBurnInHell" is a much more appropriate avatar. :)

      Again, please don't take this a personal affront, I really am on your side. I've experienced different situations than you have, and that is what I am relating too, and speaking the truth about. Your's are no less, either. In my own opinion, I don't see my words as an attack on Joshua, but more to the point of being the reality. I take little kindness to lies and self deception, especially in a place that I am very fond of that focuses on the truth and awareness. If you are friends with him, I apologize for hurting you through this, but understand that not everyone can like the same person, or has always had positive encounters with the same person.

      I also want to extend an apology out to GoldRush, not because I have defended what I know is the truth, but because I probably could have did it in a more civil manner. :)

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    8. Azkani-KarmaPoliceMay 30, 2012 at 10:57 AM

      I am so terribly confused! LOL. Maybe this is just me, maybe I didn't read this thoroughly enough...Okay so first Burn said:

      "I understand everybody feels what they do on an individual level but attacking this guy for being whatever is so irrelevant."

      Which to me, I thought, Oh, I guess she doesn't know him. But then you said:

      "Well Carrie I agree, I think we should be welcoming him here and showing him the home truths of Foopets, sure I may have appeared hard in my use of language but my portrayal of him as border line idiotic was uncalled for so I apologise.But throughout my time on Foopets his posts have always been an issue, his wording and use of language has always invoked negative remarks and he has never done him self any favours. But I don’t want to make this all about him and who he is, he deserves the same chance to know the horrors of what is really going on should he be interested in this."

      Which sounds like you've had some very upfront encounters. I am really confused, were you quoting someone in one of those? Because they kind of contradict each other. I'm not trying to harass you about it, I am just wondering which post is accurate of your feelings. If you were quoting in one of them, I missed it and apologize.

      Gym - I am not sure I see how Traci leads back to Joshua and Shorti. That's not a knock, I just don't see the tie in.

      "But it seems to me that your perception on Foo's ill practices rest solely in Traci's lap, in which, they don't."

      If we are discussing the current goings on in Support, who else is to blame for this and how do they tie in to the current issue?

      Once again, not attempting to start a brawl, I am just pointing out things that, to me, don't make sense and hoping for an explanation (even if you have to call me dense to give it lol). And I did come out of the anon closet for this post and the one further up the page merely because I felt safe in doing so for the subject matter. I dearly hope that was not a mistake.

      Also to GR, thank you. You have been helping a lot of people and have my respect. You do seem to leave your feelings at the door and try to go towards facts and resolutions. Which is why, even after some things said, I have been here watching and sometimes posting. I hope that others always feel as welcome.

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    9. Sorry TBIH but I have to address Joshua at the point he put his nose into it. He maligned a friend in his post and has gone too far. I may never get another opportunity to let him know the damage he has done to so many. If it offends I am sorry. The fact that he chose this thread to blather on about how wronged he feels was his choice. I have to use this thread to answer his accusations and state my opinion.

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    10. And if this is going to become a place where we cannot say what we need to say then I guess I will just go away. I suddenly do not feel all that welcome here. And that hurts more than I can say.

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    11. Hello, Azkani!

      No offense taken. :)

      The current problems are not just related to Support, but Foo as a whole. There is the immense amount of mistrust brought on by everyone from Rivet, to current. Ron allowing this to happen, Ron's issues in the past (related to Foo, NOT his personal life), Rivet's horrid business practices, which include Shorti's control, which include Joshua's involvement, Supports lack of support, now Traci, coding issues, exploitation, removals, additions, and the list goes on.

      This situation is not just one single path, but a whole series that have led up to this jumbled mess of a broken city. Many hands helped in tearing down Foo, not just Traci, not just Shorti and her crew, and not just any one other person. To see it just as Traci is pretty narrow.

      Now, I also know that Joshua was not the single culprit behind members abusing their "power" by being friends with any admin of any sort, there are many. I won't bother until they step up, until then it's not worth my time pointing out this stuff to a wall of air. If that makes any sense. Joshua just happened to come along and say something, and while he may or may not feel actual remorse, he did a lot of damage in the past, enough to make it hard to forgive. And as I said, he is not the only member under Shorti who did this. There where a lot of hands in this Punching Pot, and I get the distinct impression that now that there is no connection to power, the Punching can no longer happen. So now a means to find solid footing again.

      I am not innocent, and I will never claim such. But I cam forward and fixed what I had broken because I knew that what I did was wrong. Here, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE involved in bringing down this site, will forever point the blame on others, never taking accountability for their attitudes, actions, and inaction's. They have done it for this long, and I see a few of them refusing to budge from their mountain tops out of pride. And I see others just straight out acting like they never did anything wrong and resume their business confident that they can find that little seed of power to attach themselves too again.

      I know I sound jaded, it's honestly not how I feel though. I feel this whole thing is finally coming to a head, and no more of this underhanded shit is going to go on. And I'm grateful for that. It may the end of a loved site, but it may be the best after what the last two years has shown.

      Anyway, I digress. I kind of started rambling here a bit. The bottom line for me at this point, is I spoke my peace and I am washing myself of it now. What anyone does with the truth is up to them, and that's perfectly fine. My focus now is hoping that innocent people that got caught up in the whirlwind of shit will finally get the "justice" (it seems like such a heavy-handed word, but it's the best I could think of) that they rightfully deserve. One horrid display of power got replaced with another, and another and so on. Each one progressively worse it seems. I hope that this will be the end of that cycle, and the end of a negative Foo. I hope a new Foo emerges with this, a place that is safe and comfortable and there is no cliques of control fighting eachother and everyone for more ground. A place that is solely about the pets, and the good times and the friendships forged.

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  58. oh and islen, because you are a minor (i think, sorry if i am wrong) but she knows i have submitted a report to eTrust, and they look at how friendly the site is for children in particular, but i have informed them of her anctics, towards younger members also. so its no surprise to me, she is being uber nice to you and the younger members. But us adult members, who know better, and who see her for what she is, and what she is doing, cannot be so easily influenced by her. hence why we are being swept out the door

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    1. I did the things she told me to do in support because I would fear of loosing everything, so I followed her rules. Before I made my mistake she did start out very kind and sweet, I saw her as a friend in the beginning... After I did the glitch she was upset and mad that I did such a thing... I followed what she told me to do in support, but there were some things that I never agreed with.... Ya she did some things that hurt me, and I was to scared to tell that she hurt me, until a friend put me in the situation that I had to tell her how I felt. Yes it was scary I had no clue what she would say or how she would react because I told her about her mistakes, and she responded kindly and she apologized for her mistake... That is what I was wanting an apology... I got what I have been wanting... When I confronted to her she never lashed out, she never was rude she admitted her mistake... In my eyes I saw the Traci I used to know is now back for me I guess... Maybe I'm just over reacting but now I see the Traci that I used to know...

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    2. (((Islen))) don't worry about it; if you are okay with how things are, that is good. It sounds as if you were actually guilty of using the glitch, and were willing to do whatever was needed to keep your account, and that she let you do that. This is good. It is also good that you see a kindness in Traci and willingness to admit mistakes; it sounds like a completely different person from the Traci that others have seen.

      What people here are finding difficult to accept is the way in which she is super-punishing at least one person (angrychikita) whom she admits did not take part in the glitch and who asked for clarification on what to do when the items were not in the inventory to be returned.

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    3. This is something I just don't understand... Maybe she is just to scared that if she admits her mistake she'll get attacked... I honestly don't see though how she won't let you explain everything and let you give your side of the story... Sometimes she just jumps to conclusion... She needs to relize that mistakes are okay to make. Yes I do feel guilty about doing the glitch because yes she did make it seem like it what I did was horrible, but I also did the glitch not out of greed but because she refused to do anything to those who did the unicorn glitch, after they are the ones who messed up the fooeconmy in the first place...

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    4. Don't worry about it, Islen; I am glad that she apologised to you and that you feel better. I can see why you felt that it was okay to make use of the glitch, but that was not wise, because in general it does no good to add a new wrongness to things that were wrong before. What Traci did wrong in your case appears to be that she treated you too harshly, too much like FooKate when she went crazy all that time ago. I am glad that she has seen some sense in your case. But it seems that Traci is not treating everyone right. What angrychikita shows that she did to her was very wrong indeed and the owners of foo need to realise that their "front woman" should be fair and even-handed.

      Far from being attacked, Traci would be thought of as a much better person if she could be brought to apologise to the innocents who got caught up in the glitch after-effects. As an adult in business, she should realise that honesty with clients goes a long way. And I have to say that, as the customer interface with foo, the PA person, she needs to learn NOT to jump to conclusions. The trouble now is that she has generated a lot of hate and suspicion, so it will take quite a lot to bring back that feeling of optimism that we felt a few weeks ago.

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    5. Though I got things worked out with Traci, I will never forget when she lied to my mother in support... After I had gotten a extra week to my suspension becuase I asked questions so I could make sure I could follow her intrstuctions correctly she suspends me, ya I'm old enough to deal with it, I'm almost 15 after all, but she had gone to far, Traci lied to my mom about a few things so my mom confronted her she told her she made a mistake... I don't see how lying to a parent let alone any member will get you anywhere... But she also needs not to jump to conclusions, she didn't do that with me, but after looking at those screenshots I was sicken, I mean I have seen Traci mean Side but not that mean... I just wish she could respect everyone and that mistakes are okay to make... I really hope these innocent members will be able to come back!

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    6. islen, i really am glad things worked out for you. I too, will do what it takes to get my accounts back, but i will not bow down and accept responsibility for something I did not do. and with all due respect, you actually took part in the glitch. should all be forgotten because you admitted it? why should you be there, and me not? she admitted, she knew I did not do the glitch, yet you did, and again, no offence meant, but the other people like yourself are guilty of abusing it. certainly not me. Why should you be back there, yet, i am not? it makes no sense.

      for you to say, you thought it was okay to abuse the glitch, due to the unicorn room glitch, i can understand, but that's not directly responsible for you taking advantage. saying that is like me saying, it is you and everyone else who showed greeds fault i no longer have my account.

      again, i don't meant to upset you, but its the lack of fairness and the fact that she is stubborn, and unprofessional that bothers me. I worked long and hard on foopets to get my pets, spent hundreds upon hundreds of real money to get things. Built up a reputation, as far as i was aware, of someone who would help others, who shared my rare pets and who wanted a peaceful loving foo community. to have that stripped away from me, because some members were greedy (and not to confuse what I am saying, even those guilty I don't believe should have been banned, just items removed and cautioned) is simply not right. Its now became personal. Because Im too challenging for her. I wnt give all my items up. why should I? some items i got in the last 60 days were from selling pets on the accounts i was closing down or transferring - why should I return those? THEY should have told US what exactly was tied into the glitch, and what to return. I begged, I pleaded, I explained that its one of my only connections with the world, as i'm sick so much and stuck at home. This Traci is made of stone. none of it made any difference to her. She simply knows they were wrong and doesn't want to have to admit it.

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  59. the bottom line to all of this appears to be that those who were willing to kowtow/apologise (at least in their Support thread) in addition to returning the specified items were "forgiven" and reinstated regardless of culpability level, and those who refused to humble themselves to authority but instead insisted on mutual self-respect between themselves and management continue to be penalized whether they were serious or minor offenders. does this approximately sum things up?

    also, who besides angrychikita is still in lockdown - does anyone know? also, who else is in Baxter's boat, shut down as an innocent accessory? whether members can access "old" ledger info or not, i rather expect management can - and gift logs NEVER go away, so the pieces of the puzzle i don't have can be provided by them. i am trying to assemble a case to present to Ron now, and the more complete i can make it the better things will go. by dealing with him in private, we may be able to put at least part of HumptyDumpty back in the shell...and Traci and the membership can hopefully find a place to bury the hatchet besides in each other.

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    1. cherie, firecracker, zoeGrace, Ingrid (though she admitted she duplicated rare items, she sent them to a side account and not to anyone else) not sure who else. xoxoxo

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    2. muscinoteangel (though she has a side account) and kimminess (also on a side account).

      GoldRush - i think its fair to say those who admitted guilt were asked to return the items, and were allowed back on. But certainly in my case, i sent in information showing my innocence, but Traci refused to beleive I couldn't have known. I think certainly my case is a bit unique, due to the large gifting of items between accounts, due to me closing 2 of them down. Also, many ppl were accused of duplicate raven items. I was able to show evidence to the contrary, then was banned.

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    3. i think it should also be mentioned to Ron, it wasnt investigated enough. As i showed in support some of the information was incorrect.

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    4. the sense i got from Ron (more on that soon, i'm waiting to hear back on my reply to his first answer to me) was that formally apologising to management for wrongdoing was as or more important than making restitution - which worries me a bit. i thought we were shut of the Big Brother/we're-the-parent-you're-the-child syndrome when they resumed control of the site.

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    5. **sighs***

      trouble is, those of us not guilty (can only speak of myself of course, i dnt know the ins and outs of everyone elses cases) there was nothing to apologise for. I should be getting an apology from them. for being wrongly penalised and accused. and not only that, to strip ppl of their bonding badges was bad too. If i were to get back, i would want my accounts reinstated to how they were prior to this whole event. all glitched items were returned and wiped from my main account. my side accounts had no glitched items, and shouldn't have even been in question, they only were due to the gifting of items between accounts. I reckon, they just looked at high traffic of gifts, and suspended those accounts, assuming they were guilty. So why should I apologise for their mistake?? That is so unfair. and when presented with the evidence u just get booted?? its ludicrous. im just so devastated by all this. maybe i should just leave, allowing everyone to think I some kind of cheat, and just cut my ties and walk away. I dont have the strength to keep this up.

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    6. I don't spend a lot of time on Foo but as far as I know Tee was missing, she might have come back on a new or spare account. Jake is back on a new account, Lane has not come back ( as of 2 weeks ago ). Zoe has quit like 2 weeks ago.

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    7. SomePeopleAreMoronsMay 30, 2012 at 12:16 PM

      Please don't give up yet Angry. There are so many of us pulling for you. And for others. I know how hard it must be to continue to fight, but please don't give up yet.

      Also I think that MOST people on the site still feel you are innocent and would love to see you back. I was so happy to see you back, then you were gone again so fast.

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    8. SPAM - thank you, that really means a lot to hear that. Its just so disheartening. I just do not know what to do anymore, i really dont. It comforts me though, to see people are gunning for me, and supportive. I hate the whole, me against Traci, I really do. I dont want to slate her. I just am so frustrated, and I just do not know where her thinking comes from. It makes me really sad. I finally resolved my support ticket today. After yet another day it has been marked as resolved without any comment from Traci.

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  60. Just looked for Jake....his new account is now member not found. I have the feeling he is not responsible for the deletion....

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  61. Wow, stay away for a couple of days and this thread explodes!

    Good to see you post, Joshua. You are one of my “EF Huttons” that when you post, I listen. LOL! You also don’t post as much as others but when you do, you usually have something worthwhile to read.

    I did want to address you on the thread that you mentioned DaeDreamer on. Technically, the thread was not old. When I saw that Dae had posted, I went to her message wall to welcome her back, thinking she had got her computer back. On her wall, I saw Shorti’s warning to her.

    I went back to the thread and other threads just to be sure. Then I took screenshots in the event Dae was punished, since she did not have her computer back yet. For the record, I did not know that screen shots can be doctored nor do I plan to learn how to doctor screenshots. LOL!

    The thread you mentioned was active and alive at the time Foo went down. Matter of fact, some members and Shorti had posted on it just a couple of hours before Foo went down.

    On another thread, after seeing what happened to that thread that was also active and alive at the time Foo went down, another member asked if that thread was considered “old” because he/she did not want to get in trouble since Shorti had locked the other thread. Remsie responded that since it was going at the time Foo went down, it was not considered “old”.

    I think what puts people off about you and your friends is the “one, two, three, and sometimes four punch”. It does seem to me that there is almost a “glee” at times. And it also seems that certain members are singled out. Dae is one of these members that seems to always get the “one, two, three, and sometimes four punch” from y’all. There are others, some have just quit posting because of the “one, two, three, and sometimes four punch” from y’all. It really does seem that way most of the time.

    I am a friend of Dae’s, Just like everyone else, she is going through a tough time and has had a rough life. What we are going through in RL always affects what we post. A couple of your friends did post some heartbreaking experiences on here. We all need to keep in mind that others have as heartbreaking experiences and many worse. I know this from RL experience and from volunteering my time to public health institutes. No one is alone and there is always someone worse off. We all need to keep that in mind.

    As for you and your friends, I have no beef. I enjoy reading yours’ and other’s posts. Some more so than others. I just felt I had to defend Dae on this since you mentioned it.

    It is sad seeing you are getting fed up too. I can understand. I am really doing just the same. I remember the day that our Pokeys were taken from us back in 2008. I remember in January 2009, Foo gave us our Pokeys back. That is the Foo I want to see come back. Since the original owners are back, this is a possibility. This is my hope.

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  62. I must have hit the wrong "Reply". Meant the post above to go further up top.

    Izzy, good for you! Glad you got everything straightened out.

    As for all of us, Foo is the issue at hand. Traci may be part of it but she is not the whole issue.

    Gold Rush, I hope you hear from Ron soon. I think we all need positive vibes from Foo right now...

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  63. I want to help the ones that are innocent but I don't know how... Do you think I could get through with Traci?

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    1. Islen, you are so very sweet, but, my advice to you is not to get involved. you have gotten your account back, and have finally gotten to a stage where you are on good terms with Traci. Dont put yourself in the firing line. After finally getting to where you are, it would be a shame to be penalised again, for talking on behalf of others xoxooxo

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    2. Izzy, angrychikita is right. At this point, just keep your head down. In the TOS, it mentions not to post on behalf of a suspended member. Better to not risk what you just fought so hard to get back. This is a fight that the members who are innocent must fight themselves. I hope it goes well for them too...

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  64. i meant to add gold, you can use any and all of those screenshots to show ron

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